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I'm not talking about the game, though. I'm referring to the atrocious dickheaded mentality of people like Arykos and Realist. They think if someone doesn't like PvP they're "weak" or "wimps". That mentality leads to unnecessary strife in the community.

There's a reason that even Eastern MMOs rarely do this idiotic deleveling punishment anymore. It's in the Top 5 Worst Design Decisions.

This is why PvP players are considered to be cancer to the gaming community. You can't see past your own play style so everyone that doesn't play like you do must be "weak" and "bored". It never occurs to you that some people just don't enjoy fighting other players. I wonder if you think anyone who doesn't enjoy your favorite TV show or food is "weak" too?

I doubt they would sail around like that even if they knew for certain there would never be another wipe. I wish there wasn't. But Jat mentioned in the livestream (like really briefly, he really should have emphasized it more) that the wipe was also to address some issues in the code that can't be fixed any other way. I mean, it was literally like one or two sentences and then he just left it behind at that. A lot of people probably missed it or dismissed it because it wasn't brought up again at all. I don't know what code problems it would be, but he did mention it as one of the reasons. I know some are leaving due to the wipe, some that will never return. I also know that most who are Chicken Little-ing about it will be back after the wipe. I've seen this sort of silly reaction to all kinds of things with games over the years.

Not to be dismissive of your concern, but we've had several threads about this already. I, too, want something done about this meta. Not because of the logic/physics of it, but because this particular meta shits all over the point of gunports and fun naval battles. But presenting your case (which is a worthy case to present) with physics kinda falls apart when you can build things in a way that would never work in real life. Building a ceiling two placements out from the wall that doesn't even have a support structure to stop it from falling over? Physics be damned! But I do understand where you're coming from.

I would like to see a compromise/hybrid of this and the proposed change. Select zones should be excluded from the spawn list (other than golden age zones). We have plenty of zones to choose from, some should require actually traveling to them. They don't have to be based on anything specific, hell it could be randomly chosen which zones won't be spawn-listed (at server creation, not character creation/respawn). Part of the game is exploration. We need more than resources and power stones as a reason to do that. I thought this was a screenshot of Dawnstar from Skyrim at first. lol You can't call people who prefer PvE over PvP wimps and it not be personal. You are a perfect example of why people don't like the PvP crowd.

Both of which you'll be able to get again. People that plan to stick around for the long haul aren't going to have an issue with this, they know they'll get these back and more.

We still don't know all the details about this. If we can only have one, I don't see a lot of people using this as a method of griefing. Jat and Dollie popped into another thread and they've said they're aware of, and listening to, our concerns about the changes and they're discussing how they want to move forward due to the concerns from the players. Hopefully everything you've listed here will become an irrelevant concern.

Nice castle. Shame we're gonna have to burn the carriage though. Stuffy nobles...

This is often enough for us to relax a bit. Please don't do what Blizzard does, don't be scarce on the forums. We don't need daily updates, but sometimes the silence between posts from the devs makes it feel like you guys aren't listening to us. Discord is nice and all, but some (many?) of us don't frequent discord. Picking a random thread every few days with concerns from Page 1 of the 3 Main forums (general discussion, PvE Gen Disc, and PvP Gen Disc) and dropping in to say "We're listening" and perhaps an update of ideas you're throwing around can go a looooooooooooong way. Thanks again for the post, Jat and Dollie.

Projection. how cute. You clearly don't understand, though. You've proven that much. Calling someone a troll for pointing out something you don't like just proves them right.

People keep using the excuse of "i has job" to justify their entitlement tantrum about characters being wiped. What changed from 1999 to now that people in 1999 were able to progress and you're not able to now? You think the people in 1999 didn't have jobs? Families? Friends? Lives outside the game? All of this was covered in my post that you quote only the first sentence of. Something tells me you didn't read pas that first sentence. If you had, you wouldn't be asking what you've asked.

This has what to do with people using "i has job" as an excuse for not progressing? You're comparing a game that, by your own admission, was post-launch to a game that's still in early development. Do I need to elaborate on how dumb that comparison is? Good thing I wasn't making that comparison then. You must really like fish, though. You're throwing red herrings all over the place. Then stop crying and chill out. What a shit analogy. Let me give you an accurate analogy. It's like you purchased a game that's in EARLY ACCESS and then threw a fit because development happened and now you're using the excuse of "i has job" to justify throwing your tantrum. Oh, that's not an analogy, it's what you're doing. There are issues with the code. Issues that cannot be fixed without a wipe. The wipe is not solely to implement the changes. It's also to address issues that cannot be fixed otherwise. Hence for the "betterment of the game". Just because you're too blinded by your tantrum to acknowledge this doesn't change that reality. Oh bless, it's trying to be witty.

I see you're still projecting. How quickly you forget your own posts... "leave it so player on player combat or naval combat stays how it is." "how it is" allows offline raiding. So, please, tell us how you're not defending that. Defending offline raiding and making false accusation is all you do.

This completely invalidates all of your panic. Good job destroying your own argument. Numbnuts. If this is what the server votes for, then I'll try to make sure I'm online for it. If I can't be, there's always another day. At the worst I have several hours of safety to rebuild. You tell me to read the notes while at the same proving how idiotic your panic tantrum is. You da MVP.

The reward is that they helped make the game better. Your comment makes you and your friends sound like entitled little shits. If it bothers you to hear that, well, I can't help that. I'd rather be honest and blunt than lie to you. You're getting more than I did for beta testing WoW. You're getting more than I did for alpha testing Rift and WHO. Hell, all I got in D3 was a banner design for a banner that doesn't even get used because it has no use. Then again, I didn't expect to get anything from being part of those. I went into it expecting to have fun and help find problems and provide data for the devs via playing. Then you had unfounded expectations. And tons of people that left because of what the wipe is fixing will come back. Welcome to Early Access, the revolving door is always open. The fact you expect recompense for something that is perfectly normal in EA just shows how entitled you are.

True. But there's still the time investment of running around to place them all. Only the most dedicated dbag would keep that up for more than a week. And yes, I know there are some very dedicated assholes out there, but thankfully they're the exception, not the rule.

You already know all the details of the decay rate and how much it would take to repair an entire island's foundations/pillars? You should let Jat and the devs know what those rates are. It would save them several weeks of deciding and testing.

No. You're implying they left because of the wipe. I was correcting that assertion.

There won't be any claim flags on PvE. At all. Without claim flags, you can't tax the shops. If you can't tax the shops, why put them in? I'm not trying to say any of it makes sense. That's the "logic" I'm seeing behind the decision, though. I think the decision of no claims is a horrible decision, because it also leads to other bad decisions (illogical as they may be) to not do other things, like no player shops.

I'm firmly with the crowd that don't like the removal of the flags on PvE servers. It's an unnecessary change. It feels like a situation where they either aren't sure how to fix the problem or just can't be bothered to deal with it. But with the change that's coming to the claim system, they did bother with it, so it doesn't make sense to remove them.

The majority of the people that left did so before the wipe announcement. The majority that left did so because of issues that the wipe is fixing. In other words, a lot of those that left will be back. As will all the "waaaah im leaving cuz of the big bad wipe waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" crybabies

People in 1999 had jobs, friends, family, a life, etc and they got shit done without crying about it and (more importantly) throwing a tantrum demanding it change. THAT is what it has to do with this. People back then didn't use the "muh life family friends job" excuse, they just got shit done.

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You keep using that word slave. I don't think it means what you think it means. Also, Chicken Little, try phrasing your question in a bit of an hysterical tone. You might get a reply from the devs that way.