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  1. MeatSammich

    PvE claims change - natural selection at it's finest

    The 'login every 12 hours' part is the sticking point for a lot of people. Spam clearing is not going to be a '30s job'. To delete one, yeah, thats fine, but you're going to have to run damn near every inch of your island, including underwater, to make sure that no one is screwing with the island. How long is that going to take? People have jobs, they have lives. If you work a normal 8-5, and play from 6-midnight every night, get up at 7 to go to work, when the hell are you supposed to clear the spam? Midnight-6pm is 18 hours that you're not able to be on, sorry, the foundations are now permanent. If you increase the destruction time to 24 hours, then its almost the same. You're not allowed to ever not play for a day, otherwise, your island will be an indestructible mess when you get back on. If you increase the time to 48 hours, its more reasonable, but now you're going the other way, where no one wants to settle on an owned island due to hearing that some landlord somewhere demo'd all the tenants stuff one day. Plus, even if you're a great landlord, guess what, that means no long weekends away for you, let alone taking an actual vacation. It was reported that the guys from Wildcard regretted some of their design decisions around taming and breeding that forced their players to have an unhealthy gaming/life balance to get ahead, but, now, they've just gone and turned it into "Can't sleep, pillars will eat me."
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    We are PvE/Claim issues and solutions

    So, a couple questions that I have, that have been brought up and no answers given: With this 'point system', how many points will each island type cost? How many of each island type will be there? What constitutes small, medium, large, etc.? What are the cutoffs going to be for points allocated to companies, as related to company size, or is it going to be directly tied to the number of people in the company? ie: 1 point per member? What are the claim flag limits going to be to stop the bigger companies from just claiming all the small islands, so that no small/solo companies will be able to claim anything, since they won't have the points for bigger islands? It would be nice if Jat and Dollie would set aside an hour or two one day soon, to do an AMA-type thread, to allow the players to get some answers to questions like these, and bring up some of the pitfalls they see, instead of waiting, and dreading, each Captain's Log, and the inevitable backlash each week.
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    The change to PvE claiming...

    Aye, that was before the Captains Log that put in the latest iteration of "Hey, this is the opposite of what you guys want, but, have it anyway" These latest changes were their interpretation of what we were asking for from their "actively reading the threads,...etc"/
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    People left the game ?

    Aye, that everyone would just stay solo and collect their 5, or 10 claims, was something I had considered. But, in the end I figured that the benefits of being in a small company (shared resources, shared tames, shared ships, etc) would mitigate the amount of people that would go pure solo.
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    We are PvE/Claim issues and solutions

    They don't even have to go as far as reskinning anything. Just a full hex grid overlay on each sector, ocean and all. With limited claims, no one would bother claiming the ocean in the middle of nowhere. If tracking each grid would take up too much server overhead, you could just go through and delete all the grid more than 2 or 3 sectors offshore, to ensure that people could claim water deep enough for shipyards, etc.
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    We are PvE/Claim issues and solutions

    Part of the problem is the fact that the player base can't come to a consensus on what number of claims is reasonable, so everything is all over the board. In the past few weeks, I've seen everything from 1 claim per company, to 5 claims per person. Any cap would have to ensure that : A: There is enough room to build the necessities, and doesn't completely screw over the solo players, which eliminates 1 claim per company, and 1 claim per person. B: That there is enough land for everyone, which eliminates the highs like 5 claims per person, since a 250 person company would have 1250 claims again. The system should be based on company size, but not directly tied to the exact number of people in the company which both inhibits small/solo companies, as well as allowing large companies to control vast swaths of the map again. I know most of you have seen the math breakdowns that I've thrown in a this and a couple other threads, (10 claims for companies under 25 members, 25 claims for companies 25-100 members, 50 claims for companies over 100 members) and I've gone over it a few times, and it still makes the most sense, and leaves the most land free for new players. With a bit more tweaking like 10 claims for under 50 members, 25 claims for companies 50-125 members, and 50 claims for companies 125-250 members, so that every breakdown has a max of 5 company members per claim...or halving the original numbers to 5/15/25 claims per company size, the system could stay balanced, not overly penalize any company size, and leave huge amounts of land open for anyone who wants it, without needing to rent. But, all this is academic, as it seems that Grapeshot is unwilling, or unable, to implement something along these lines. I have no idea which is the case, I just know that the past few weeks of the cycle of Player Complaints / Grapeshot Acknowledgement of Complaint / Player Excitement that Our Voices Are Being Heard / Captains Log with Complete Opposite of Expectations of Fix / Cycle Starts Again...has damn near completely killed any enthusiasm that I, and judging from the dwindling number of different people posting, and the overall tone of the posts, a whole lot of other people had for Atlas.
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    People left the game ?

    Part of the problem is the fact that the player base can't come to a consensus on what number of claims is reasonable, so everything is all over the board. In the past few weeks, I've seen everything from 1 claim per company, to 5 claims per person. Any cap would have to ensure that : A: There is enough room to build the necessities, and doesn't completely screw over the solo players, which eliminates 1 claim per company, and 1 claim per person. B: That there is enough land for everyone, which eliminates the highs like 5 claims per person, since a 250 person company would have 1250 claims again. The system should be based on company size, but not directly tied to the exact number of people in the company which both inhibits small/solo companies, as well as allowing large companies to control vast swaths of the map again. I know most of you have seen the math breakdowns that I've thrown in a couple other threads, (10 claims for companies under 25 members, 25 claims for companies 25-100 members, 50 claims for companies over 100 members) and I've gone over it a few times, and it still makes the most sense, and leaves the most land free for new players. With a bit more tweaking like 10 claims for under 50 members, 25 claims for companies 50-125 members, and 50 claims for companies 125-250 members, so that every breakdown has a max of 5 company members per claim...or halving the original numbers to 5/15/25 claims per company size, the system could stay balanced, not overly penalize any company size, and leave huge amounts of land open for anyone who wants it, without needing to rent. But, all this is academic, as it seems that Grapeshot is unwilling, or unable, to implement something along these lines. I have no idea which is the case, I just know that the past few weeks of the cycle of Player Complaints / Grapeshot Acknowledgement of Complaint / Player Excitement that Our Voices Are Being Heard / Captains Log with Complete Opposite of Expectations of Fix / Cycle Starts Again...has damn near completely killed any enthusiasm that I, and judging from the dwindling number of different people posting, and the overall tone of the posts, a whole lot of other people had for Atlas.
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    The change to PvE claiming...

    Where? I found 1 post on reddit about shipwrecks, 2 posts on these forums since the announcement of the changes (1 saying they're not merging servers, and another about adding PvE content), and the only thing on his twitter since the captains log was a retweet of some Ark stuff.
  9. One thing I'd ask for is to at least make sure that bps have at least *some* stat increase. Nothing like getting kicked in the teeth by finding a masterwork carbine bp that has the same damage and durability as the default craft.
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    We are PvE/Claim issues and solutions

    New New Claim Changes: Okay, once again, Grapeshot manages to take what the players are saying, and mange to almost, but not quite, do the exact opposite. The first (couple) times, I was willing to chalk it up to misunderstanding, but, at this point its becoming apparent that it it pretty much just pure disdain for the playerbase, and malice in doing things that completely go against what their playerbase is asking for. Its pretty much turned into a 5 step cycle of 1: Players complain about something and start leaving the game. 2: Tell everyone you heard the complaints, and are going to make changes. 3: Playerbase suggests a metric asston of viable solutions. 4: Decide that the players don't know what they want and announce some changes completely different from what the players want that solve NONE of the issues in the original complaint...and throw in some minor cosmetic object for them to play with. 5: Go to step 1. There have been numerous threads, with an ungodly amount of posts, all asking for the same thing. We want claim flags as exist. We want the number of those flags limited to a reasonable amount. 5-10 per company base, up to 50 for large companies. Yay. You limited them. 1 per solo, up to 10(?) or so for large companies. But wait, they now claim entire islands? There have been less than 10 posts out of hundreds, if not a thousand, saying "Oooh, I shore do likes the way PvP sounds, I wants to own me an is-land." How in the bloody hell is island claiming supposed to help people "own" more land? How is this supposed to prevent griefing? By relying on a landlord? A landlord who may or may not bother deleting the offending objects in the alloted time frame, supposing that they're not the one griefing in the first place, pissed off that they didn't delete your stuff within the timer limit. Playing a rousing game of "Is this island considered small or not", trying to find one that your company can claim. on launch day is going to suck. Its going to be lovely when mid and larger companies realize that "Hey, we can claim multiple small islands, and no one else is big enough to claim the bigger islands..." and now there is no islands for smaller/solos to claim. Variable tax rates - whats to stop an island owner from waiting until multiple companies have built up good sized bases, then jacking the tax up to 30%? What percentage of companies are actually going to go to another island and start building all over again? Just set it to a flat 10% and be done with it. Whats to stop 50 or so people from banding together on launch day under 1 company name, claiming a large island, then the other 49 people leave the company and form a new company, and repeat this, over and over, to get around the company size for claim points? I'm starting to think that Atlas isn't a game, but more of a social experiment in how much garbage can be shoveled down player's throats, (or shoved up other orifices, if you'd rather) before they give up and quit completely.
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    You guys are so stupid

    Limiting building is definitely not the answer. Why would you think that limiting creativity is the best solution for an open world game where building is a huge part of what to do? To give you an idea of how small 150 piece is, a 10x10 house with 2 walls high is 100 foundations for the floor. 100 ceiling tiles for the roof, and 80 walls, so, 280 pieces for a square block of a building, and thats without an animal pen, or dock, or garden, or taming pens.
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    Claim flag cool down (1 week)

    My current spot is very similar to yours. I have a claim flag on the edge of the waterline, and it still didn't reach out far enough to hit water deep enough for a large shipyard, I had to place a second one on the bottom out in the water. If the hypothetical hex grid was set up before there were any claims present, it would allow you to make an informed decision as to what the best claim spot would be for you. You could look and see that if you take the claim that stops at the shoreline, you're going to need to use a second claim to take the water, but over on the east side of the island is a claim spot that is half land/half water, but isn't as nice of a spot. Is it worth saving the extra claim for something else? Remember, the hypothetical hex grid wouldn't be applied to your current build, but post-wipe. The claim limit would limit how much you can monopolize. I would much rather have everything adjacent then running around everywhere for no reason. Okay, my base is on the south edge of the island, my shipyard is on the northwest side of the island, but on the other side of a harbor, my resource plot is on the far east side, but I can't get there without going all the way around this mountain because someone blocked off this choke point, etc... Whats the difference? I'd still have 3 claims on that island, regardless if they were near one another or spread out all over BFE. Just adds in a stupid amount of running, and stops you from developing your base as a complete, cohesive design.
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    Claim flag cool down (1 week)

    The grid system with a hex grid overlay to prevent gaps/ovelaps is something that a few of us have been requesting for a good while. It makes perfect sense. Personally owned, eh, I claim some land, join a company who builds a badass base on that land, then I leave the company and take their base with me? No adjacent claims would leave too much land unclaimable. The idea of the hex grid is to tighten up everything, so that there are no gaps or overlaps. What happens if Company A claims a spot, and Company B claims a spot 2 spaces over. Now there would be space unclaimable by anyone. edit: Unless what you are saying is that no one can claim 2 spaces together, which would suck too. Unable to have your water claim built and connected to the stuff in your base claim? Unable to build a big intricate base that is larger than 1 claim in size, unable to protect the resources closest to your base, etc
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    Why no settlements and player shops for pve?

    A buildable shop building would be okay. In a perfect scenario, it would be a purchaseable NPC that you could place wherever you wanted in your base, that way you could build a shop for them that fits the aesthetic of the rest of your base, or hire multiple of them to sell different types of goods.
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    We are PvE/Claim issues and solutions

    Yeah, this was one of the secondary causes of the land issue. They severely underestimated the amount of land people would claim, and severely overestimated the number of people who would tenant on other people's land. The fact that the tenant system was pretty broken in the landowner's favor, and tenants had 0 protections, and tenants structures still had 4 day demolish timers did absolutely no favors to the planned system. A system where you had to set a percentage of your land over a certain amount as buildable, once someone had built there the land was the tenants in everything but taxes and flag reset, the tenant couldn't be kicked off for anything other than non-logon, no tertiary group would be allowed to build there, and if the claim timer went to 0, it would become the tenant's automatically, would have mitigated the situation a lot.
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