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I want also add that I recently purchased Satisfactory, by Swedish developers Coffee Stain, the guys who did Goat simulator. Interestingly at $30, it’s at the exact same price point as Atlas, just released as an EA title expected to be in EA for at least a year, and it’s developers are neither struggling broke nor industry behemoths. In short it is an excellent candidate for comparison to Atlas. Sadly this is where the similarities end, as Satisfactory plays and feels like a fully developed and polished game out of the gate, with non of Atlas’s issues. If Coffe Stain had declared it a finished product, I would never have known the difference. Does anyone here even remotely regard Atlas as anywhere within a country mile of being a finished product? Sure one is an MMO and the other is not so an argument could be put forward they are different but still.... same price point both EA titles comparable studios in terms of experience and resources One offers an EA dumpster fire, the other a product that while technically also EA, I’d have happily considered sold as a finished game out of the gate. Draw your own conclusions. See the post I just made. Also if you didn’t actually watch the video, pleas3 do, as it addresses this point.

If you do listen to the whole thing he does actually go out of his way to say that the new model of EA has value when applied to certain indie developers as it allows them to get projects funded that might not otherwise see the light of day, but that such a model he considers wholly inappropriate for use by large publicly traded companies producing games with budgets in the hundreds of millions of dollars. This is a nuanced point, something often alien to most public debate these days. Regardless, I think he’s dead on about this. He never directly addresses whether he considers Grapecard to be a fair candidate for this approach, but given that he uses Atlas as his case study for what’s wrong with this system, I’m gonna guess he would tend to agree with my feeling, which is that they don’t fall into the same category as the struggling indie studios previously mentioned given the enormous pile of cash Ark’s success leaves them sitting on.

Yeah we know what happens when you add a big fire to what’s in your bowl. Stop smoking that whacky tobaccy. *ducks*

This youtuber is one I have been following for a little while now and typically find his commentary thoughtful, well researched and on target. He comments on current events in gaming from a players point of view and does not pull punches on the industry without (imo) being unfair. This recent video of his discusses the issue of paying to beta test, which is arguably what Early Access is. He provides historical context in the first few minutes of the video and then begins to discuss Atlas specifically around the 3:10 mark.

Well arguably the shit show of the launch week was due in large part to their vastly underestimating how much interest there would be, so you can’t blame them much for erring this time around on the side large numbers. I agree things should be tweaked downward.

The proper spelling is leet.

Translation: when I bitch, it’s venting. When you point out I’m bitching and the obvious problems with my bitching, it’s toxic and offensive. Sorry man, but if you’re gonna bitch on an open forum, then your bitching is fair game. This is the internet, not some college safe space.

tl:dr

This thread lacks sufficient bile for the Atlas forums and seems to consist wholly of people discussing things about the game in reasonable, measured tones. That is obviously disturbing and unacceptable. As a public service I will spend the rest of my post bringing the thread back into acceptable bile guidelines. @#$& everybody in this thread. You guys are nothing but a bunch of @#$&s with tiny @#$&s and huge @#$&s. Everyone at Wildshot can @#$& my @#$&. They’re all a bunch of @#$&s anyway who couldn’t @#&& their way out of a @#$&. And your little dog too. That is all. Carry on.

Well to be fair, at this point you have no way of knowing whether the current situation is a bug or just an ill advised design decision, or even just an oversight that didn’t get corrected by QA. In my experience all 3 are perfectly plausible possibilities, so posting here makes as much sense as the bug forum.

Bye Felicia.

When do you realize that the business model of MMO’s with heavy upfront development costs that are made back over time through revenue streams supported by active ongoing playerbases rather than revenue primarily derived from game sales (which in this model typically barely cover development costs) makes them horribly pointless candidates for the cash grab you and endless other poorly informed gamers keep looking foolish suggesting? Bottom line: trying to do a cash grab with an MMO like Atlas would be like trying to use a unicycle as your getaway vehicle for a bank robbery. Stop suggesting this is the case, it would be wildly impractical as a scam and suggesting it just makes you look as foolish as all the others who have done so. The only way Grapecard makes money with Atlas is if lots of people stick around and play it over time once cash shops are put in. All of the refunds they gave out during the shit show that was launch just makes this doubly true.

Fixed. *Chastises Dollie for not being psychic and already having this info.*

*waits eagerly to see US Congress style filibustering in Atlas* Pretty sure this is a gaming feature never before seen in online gaming. Kinda surprising no one’s ever thought to put old white men reading grandma’s recipes into the congressional record as part of their game. I hope they include a secret unlock where you can watch Ted Stephens call the internet a series of tubes. Before you post giving me grief, yes I’m aware this was likely Timberjac using Google translate and it throwing him a curveball. Just having a bit of fun with it.

My system is slightly better than yours but not massively: 1060, i7 8700, 16 ddr4. It tends to run Atlas just fine at maxed out settings and I use a 42 inch tv as my monitor so the native resolution is massive. Your system should handle Atlas pretty well. You may want to look at bumping up RAM if you can but it’s not imperative. Just be advised that system is only one factor in the performance equation. In busy harbors you’re likely to lag no matter what. The game is early access so optimization expectations should be adjusted accordingly.

Everyone is binging GOT to refresh their memories from 2 freaking years ago in preparation for Sunday. Atlas gets moved down the priority list. Not having played the new stuff that is my best fart in the wind guess. Take it for what it’s worth.

*Munches popcorn and waits for the “I’m rubber, you’re glue.” post, which based on the Op’s current posting trajectory should be inbound shortly.*

Defunct ones.

Very clearly does not.

Again, the warning or the hint was the fact you were purchasing Early Access, not a released game. Your continued denial of this very basic fact is the crux of the issue. Further, refund policies are set by steam, not Grapecard, so calling Grapecard sleazy for your ignorance of who sets the refund policy and what it is (all information publicly available prior to your purchase), is a further error on your part, no high horse needed, just simple statement of facts. Beyond these basic facts, implying you have somehow been unfaired against when not allowed to refund after 750 hours of gameplay is not likely to earn you much sympathy except perhaps with others grinding similarly absurd axes. Misery does love company. But by all means, don’t stop now. My popcorn is almost done.

You’re the only one. I C wat U did thar.

The fact you don’t seem to understand or acknowledge that wipes are part and parcel of the expectations of an EA game are the error I was referring to. You have stated repeatedly that you know what EA is, but your insistence that you should been explicitly warned about the possibility of wipes makes it clear you do not. Everyone else here understood that about Atlas being an EA game. You did not. Your repeated statements make this plainly apparent. This is the error I was referring to earlier, one you continue to deny and insist otherwise, all evidence to the contrary. Calling me self righteous or childish will not change this, they will just continue to make you seem stubbornly and willfully ignorant. The facts are simple: Wipes are part of the risk one assumes in playing an EA game. The other posters to this thread all understood and accepted this when purchasing Atlas. You did not. You are now upset at lost time invested due to your own incomplete understanding of EA risks. You have chosen to express your displeasure by casting aspersions upon the devs by suggesting the wipe was sleazy and lazy (and please, stop with the semantic hair splitting over lazy, it’s eye roll inducing). When called out by multiple posters for your mistake, as is common in internet culture, you refuse to acknowledge or accept responsibility for the error and instead make arguments that no one buys in an attempt at equivocation. Feel free to continue, but you’re convincing no one, and calling those who disagree with you fanboys is classic ad hominem. Many of the posters you call fanboys have been sharply critical of Grapecard on numerous occasions.

Your statements so far in this thread make it plainly apparent that you DO lack an understanding of what EA entails, as just about every other poster has pointed out to you. At this point, you are doing the expected and digging in, refusing to admit your error. Accusing others of being sleazy when you failed to have proper expectations IS an error on your part, your unwillingness to admit so does not change this.

Long overdue but better late than never.

The fundamental problem here is your lack of understanding of what EA is and what it entails. Accusing others of being sleazy because you didn’t understand what was and wasn’t being offered is the sort of thing people used to have the grace and humility to apologize for. This being the age of the internet, I am not holding my breathe. Want to impress people and defy expectations? Admit the mistake and apologize for casting aspersions at others due to your own error.