Sulfurblade

Wurm Online has had to deal with this issue for many years now and they have solved it as far as I am concerned. Infact Wurm Onlines land claim system and how it protects said land is leaps and bounds better than atlas in every way! The Token, the land claim device that holds your upkeep and sets the rules for who can do what inside of said property as well as being the primary point you need to defend from raiders who wish to steal its upkeep money is honestly the answer to Atlas's problems! As long as the Token has upkeep it will protect and fend off decay of items inside of its area! Upkeep is dependant on the size of the area that is being claimed. I still have over a years upkeep on my token in Wurm Online I don't have to log in tomorrow or a week from now to know everything I have done there is still okay. (True I could have been raided! In which case 25% of my upkeep was taken and my token cannot be raided again for the period of "X" amount of time depending on value that was taken) So for my situation my years upkeep gets taken now I only have 9 months of upkeep which cannot again be raided for 3 Months in three months if I don't log on someone will likely easily walk up to my token as whoever broke thru all my walls to get to it has cleared the path to it the first time....at this point there is 6 Months of upkeep left and they will acquire 25% of what's remaining meaning my upkeep after this second raid will be 4.5 Months since the value that was stolen is less the protection time from being raided drops to 1.5 months... So the token will be open to be stolen from again when there is 3 Months of upkeep left.... So one can get a very long period of safety bye maintaining a lot of upkeep money on the token at the same time if that token is actually raided the raiders are walking away with 25% of a very large sum which makes them very happy.... And while it sucks that you got raided you know have a very large grace window where you do not have to worry about being raided again.... Of course many people choose to maintain smaller amounts of money on there token and that is how they choose to play... But to summarize to can easily go on vacation and know your land and buildings etc and most of your upkeep will still be there! Of course many valuables in Wurm are simply Items like a high quality sword that you left in a chest in the corner of your room, that likely won't be there when you get back, but the Forge and Anvil and tools to make a new one will be there!!! Anyway I will stop rambling on, and summarize other games in this example Wurm Online. Have dealt with the same types of issues and they do a far better job then Atlas does in dealing with them....

Very confused?!??!?!?! Am I in the correct forum??? This can't be the Atlas Forum??? They don't have Moderators!!! Those are a myth and they most definitely don't do there job! Is the world ending???

Extremely unethical business practices mixed with Gullible people, perhaps!

Have you tried sticking em in a gunny sack and pulling em behind a boat... works wonders!

lol think you would end up with dirty dishes!

I was in the Navy before the Creation of the IT rating and as the local onboard geek setup our ship board lan before the navy put in a standardized LAN setup across all ships, So that extra duty I had followed me thru my career and I ended up wearing two hats most of the time. After I got out I became a Navy contractor where I was on of the people responsible for providing IT solutions for ships in dry dock for Pacific fleet. Basically served as Lan Admin for every ship in the Pacific fleet going thru any type of maintenance in the dry docks at San Diego. Also when I got out I used my GI bill to get my Software Engineer degree as I wanted to know the non Hardware side of computing as everything I had done up to that date was Hardware and Networking related, however while I did get my degree I learned that Software was NOT my cup of tea. Not sure where you got the notion I was retired from the Software industry? As it was an industry I never really entered with the exception of getting the degree! I did want to make my own game I have took a few cracks at it but in the end I find code about as interesting as watching paint dry, and in the end while I have all kinds of idea's I can't really overcome the frustration code creates for me. The best I have really done is a few mods in various games.... Which often time really doesn't involve coding per-say as much as just changing already existing code.

And I am retired Navy what's your point? Bud.... I would think someone in the military would understand a phrase being used as an expression, a fairly common one at that!

Trying to find that info I happened on this instead... still can't find the "12M" I came across earlier, internets a really tangled web but this guy is making even bolder claims https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-16-how-ark-survival-evolved-fell-into-sustainable-revenue-without-skins-or-loot-boxes He puts the figure at 16M His source is an interview with Jesse Rapczak, Studio Wildcard

The numbers give the correct story but are out of date.... The last time we knew the actual split of sales was in August 2017 at that time they were: 6.5M PC 1.5M Xbox 1M Playstation 4 Since that time depending on the source you find they have either sold an addition 1M copies for a total of 10M total and only one source I could find put them at 12M. Regardless if its 1 or 3 Milllion net chance since we knew the split Unless all of the copies have been on console since then Boomer is very right PC is the Lion's Share!!!

ROFL please pass the pipe!

Whats wings? Hmm wasn't he in that boy band with Peter Tork, Michael Nesmith, and Davy Jones! Kidding.... about the boy band part, not kidding about wtf is wings?

I very much understand what you are saying I am old like you in my 50's and I utterly despise Discord!!! I hate that so many of the younger gaming generation is like discord this and discord that the program really sucks its a resource hog with tons of bells and whistles that for me are just useless.... But then again I think a phone is for Phone calls and grit and growl my teeth at the Zombie generation staring at their Cell "phones" I despise consoles and the need for cross play when all it does is keep the PC version from being great because they have to dumb it down for a console! I don't even use Anti Virus's anymore because you can't find one that's simply an anti virus! I prefer Team Speak because it uses very little resources and its easy to communicate via voice without all the other chat channels, beeps and alerts about some cool edgy meme that people have to thumbs up or down, or the silly discord channel applications that do this and that.... blah blah blah.... Yes I am old "A damned retired Network Engineer" with a degree in Software engineering and I find myself despising technology! What was so bad about swiping the damned debit card it was faster and simpler than this freaking insert the card and wait bs at the grocery store!!! Or the Cell Phone digital coupon trend that just irritates me to no end! But yes I wish the proper tools were used for the proper jobs! A voice app like Teamspeak for Voice! An anti virus for you know protecting your computer from virus! And a Phone for making phone calls etc etc... Just sick of these let's put 8 jobs on one thing that only does one of those jobs well and the other 7 lackluster!

It's not actually un-installed its more like the current version and the version in your library don't match and you need to download the update. And then all will be good.... I have never actually had this happen to myself but I have some friends with smaller hard drives that have this issue because typically there is no room for the update to happen and requires user intervention.

So who takes the rep hit Wildcard? Grapeshot while many know is an arm of Wildcard. Snail games the developers of Dark and Light are another Arm of Wildcard and why? Why does Wildcard not put its own name on the arms of development branching off doing new games??? As for Jeremy caring about his personal rep, I doubt he honestly has much say in the matter, as the guy who created the Mod of course he was hired its the simplest way for a company to claim rights to the Mod. They Hire its creator and then have the sign paperwork transferring ownership of the Mod to the company! We have seen this in DayZ and other Mod inspired game additions. Meneth created a Wiki page for Crusader Kings 2, Paradox wanted control of the page so they hired Meneth and took control of it... Pretty common practice in the industry. The traditional MMORPG is built from the ground up, with Atlas you already had half your development done already thanks to the Ark Mod, this is the point of it being an easy way to make more money for the company! Aka Cash Grab.... DayZ was expected to be a Cash Grab too, had they known they would have to recreate the engine twice, had they known it would end up in perpetual beta, had they known it would end a stain on there reputation they Bohemia may not have done it. So regardless of your reputation factor it's pretty clear the corporate bigwigs behind Wildcard thought Atlas would be easy money, the same way they thought Dark and Light would be easy money! So obviously you can't simply cut and paste the code, I have no doubt they were and maybe still are aiming at a viable game. But what I am sure is the Corporate types considered this easy money, so sure the water animations are brand new but that doesn't change the fact the game is based on an Ark Mod does it? As for the Server set up, this is nothing revolutionary in fact what atlas was attempting to call revolutionary server structure was nothing more then the same thing Ultima Online did in 1997, infact its nearly identical.... However even this is a bit of a tail because Nitrado are the people who have actually put this in place for them hence the, shoulder and arm partnership where Nitrado servers are the first things spammed to you when your looking to create your own server. Penny Pinching on Jeremy's part??? While I think Jeremy's vision is half baked I certainly wouldn't give him this much credit. As I doubt he has any credible control on the finances as again he was simply hired in order to claim ownership of the Mod, and now that they do own the mod his employment is no longer that important. In Fact I would not be even remotely surprised to see him either quit or be fired in the near future as he likely doesn't have the control he wants and the company probably feels he is getting in the way. Exactly they haven't invested much into marketing, They didn't need to create the concept of the game from the ground up, all these things add up to a simple mathematical point. The Powers that be who control the purse strings see this game as guaranteed income and they are not going to splurge on it and cut into that income. The Dev's pitched that Atlas could be an easy was to make money and possibly a good game to there corporate overlords and they heard: No server upkeep Nitrado would fit the bill Small Team with a Scape Goat (Jeremy) Who created the mod the game will be based around. Half the game already developed because its a mod Rebranding of the Development team to keep as much possible blow back at bay. And Limited Development cycle (2 years) Plus Early access - So immediate sales out the door. ^^^^^ All that adds up to an Investors wet dream, or as some gamers call it, (A Money Grab)

No it's pretty much the reverse being abusive will only lead to you being removed from this forum! If you think your tirades do anything more then make me laugh at you, well your living in a fantasy world. However once again I have been baited bye you to respond to a post that has nothing to do with this game, its features, or its development so for the love of god get on topic!

I expect you to behave like an adult, and have civilized conversation! This is a Forum not the game this is not a place for Role Play unless its specifically marked as such this is a place for feedback about the game POSITIVE or NEGATIVE So Developers can take said feedback back to the development of their game and improve on it.... This is Not a place to defend a Game, defending a game in DEVELOPMENT is not doing it any justice!!! Different Strokes for different folks you need to understand that, some people will like what you don't, in these situations to take a Cue from Bambi's mother. "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all" Again your post has nothing to do with game features, game mechanics, how to make said game better or worse, it's just another post where you rail against members of the community!

I certainly don't expect this Early Access game to be BUG free..... I do expect it to have content and be fun!!! These are very different things!

There is no real benefit to us the gamer, unless you only game on Console which??? What gamer is going to limit themselves to a lackluster computer??? No the real benefit here is the Corporate overlord, it's all about making that money!!! The game industry has been suffering for many years because of corporate greed dumbing down high quality games so they can run on the console....

No you don't, most of your points have some basis of reason, and that's why I don't consider you a troll... And I stand with Boomer in the regard! I certainly disagree with you plenty but that is part of the point of a forum such as this to debate!

So unlike yourself my posts stay on topic, and somehow relate to the game. Your posts are either attacking the community or swearing or some combination of the two! How about some of the attacks on the community! I really don't think I need to say much more as your own word's say plenty!

Are you going to add anything constructive with your presence here in the forum or are you going to simply combine being a white knight with being a troll.... Yes there are games that were created from mod's like for instance DayZ, (Perpetual Beta) The difference here is DayZ didn't just cut a paste code they went above and beyond to make new content. There is nothing wrong with basing a game off of a mod, the problem is basing a game on a Mod and barely doing any development! Which these guys do a lot of! Atlas is not the only game from them that is a mess, that saw big initial sales with a serious drop off and then development went into a black hole... Dark n Light ring a bell??? Stop white knighting your making yourself look stupid!!!

Your aware this game is an ARK MOD..... all they had to do was cut and paste the code from the one game to the other! So when people are claiming cash grab they are NOT far from the truth! Exact figures are not known but we do know it's sold over 500,000 copy's. You do the math??? Little to no work done just copy and paste code from previous game and then sell 500,000 + copy's I think that sums up a cash grab pretty well.

WTF are you going on about???? Your joking right?!? If your talking about atlas's horrible ship based pvp then Blackwake did it before them! If your talking about a Giant Sandbox then there was Ultima Online and about a 100 other games!!! Heck Ultima Online has done everything that Atlas, does but far better with tons more content and that was a game created in 1997....

Factions, Law and Order, Government, Notoriety, Karma are all things I would talk about and things the game needs but if they can't fix those basic 4 items then there is no hope for this list....

Developers your game is crap! Problem 1) Skill tree, is terrible it creates a bunch of clones out there playing the game everyone have about 60-70% of the exact same skills!!! Where is the diversity??? Do you know what a skill tree is for??? Where are the professions??? Suggested Fix) Put in Professions make people different!!! If your a Master Shipwright because you invested all your skill points into it then you barely know how to make a campfire and your go to weapon is a hammer!!! If your a master Tamer you don't have a clue how to build a ship let alone a house!!! If your a Master Logger you cut wood like nobody's business the tree's fear you but those rocks laugh in your face as you have no idea how to get metal from a rock!!! And for the Love of god TAMES are not the end all be all of everything... They should never harvest anything faster than a human who specializes in harvesting that item! Problem 2) Why do you insist on being able to claim an entire island or put down 300 hundred different claim flags!!! Why can't you figure out that all you need to do is give 1 person, 1 claim flag that claims a SMALL area NOT AN ISLAND..... Problem 3) PvP your grandiose ideas of giant player vs player battles with No rules anything goes is a FOULS DREAM. Your style of game is a harbor a paradise for toxic behaviour, it's a place where griefers and trolls run rampant because you don't put in Structure and Rules that are NEEDED for pvp to work!!! That 1 claim flag above should be a person home there castle and it should not be a place griefers are burning down at night while a person sleeps it should be a safe location a place to keep valuables. For PvP to work you need Offline Raid Protection (ORP) Claims should not be raidable and Ships that are Anchored should not be sinkable! Lets PvP happen at Sea when everyone is at keyboard.... Problem 4) You idea of sailing is lackluster at best your concept of Sailing that bigger is better is sad and stupid. Games like Pirates of the Burning Sea and Naval Action demonstrate how Wind and sail types come together to create Strategy, was to run ways to chase, ways to make a player think.... For the love of god give us Lanteen Sails and Gaff Sails and Spritsails and (Topmast) and give us more ability to customize the hull or more hull types!!! And Most importantly a heavy Galleon IS NOT the fastest ship on the water!!! Sailing is not just raise the sails and aim the ship opposite of the wind.... Now I am going to stop this list here as I don't want to overwhelm you with issues! These are some of the Worst and most glaring if you were to fix this list you would make this game about 1000% times better but I am quite sure this like so many other posts is going to fall on DEAF ears and that's also why I am going to save my breath and cut this list short....