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It's now 2x Mythos.

Not yet, but maybe it will come a bit later. Have to wait and see.

I'm not sure myself. I mean have you tried jumping into single player to see whether they are doing something wrong or not?

41 minutes ago, Darkweaver said:

Which is more just as important.

I corrected that for you.

@boomervoncannon and @Realist you guys really need to pay attention to what you read.

The OP @Darkweaver is PvP, he was talking about PvP, the OP was about PvP. Did it say PvP, well no, but he did comment on the cost of 12k gold which is the amount to raze on PvP.

So yes technically it was taken off topic, not on the subject itself but on the mode, i.e. PvP. And no the change was NOT reverted for PvP.

The OPs points still stand for him as nothing has changed for him.

42 minutes ago, Koenemeloen said:

yeah, oke, it was vannished, not demolest. I expected to be demolishble after 10 day. with a nice request not te demolish due holiday i could spare my hometown.

Now it's gone without any interaction of a player

Yeah a few patches back:

v207.981

- Enabled auto-destruction for decayed structures on Official Servers.

They enabled auto-decay. After 10 days has expired it will auto decay after next server restart.

3 minutes ago, Martyn said:

if someones how falls down after 10 days and their bed as well.. why are chests allowed 40 days...

It's odd that chests and some other structures have such high decay timers, but chests only have 40 day timer when placed directly on the ground. Placed anywhere else it's tied to the 10 day decay timer, or 3 weeks on ships.

9 minutes ago, Martyn said:

Damn.. I hate it when I'm wrong.

Seems all the stuff we couldn't remove.. is now gone.  Even the old traps.  Maybe it is working afterall.

Yup just a client side issue, but glad it is working properly.

1 minute ago, Martyn said:

As for map gold.. I'll check it.. but I seem to always get more gold for my maps.. not less.  Unless the map gold amount is an avg.

Try reading what the maps say. They say "Treasure contains at least XX Gold."

This means they may contain more. But to really test it try it on a 20% island. But the fact anyone on this forum that plays PvE can confirm what I say it's not really necessary to test.

Just now, Martyn said:

You lose no gold.

20% is added to island.  If someone else does a map on it.  On some islands, this adds up to alot, on others.. almost nothing, because there are very few maps for my island. Or people don't like spiders.. it's one of the two.

Noone is taxed.

This is where your 16 hours a day 6 days a week playing fails you because for PvE it is this:

• Resources farmed is not taxed from player, it is additive, i.e. free resources goes to island owner.
• Gold dug from treasure maps is taxed. Player loses upto 20% of gold from maps due to tax.

Everyone on this forum will be able to tell you this is the truth, but i'm sure you will say everyone is lieing and that none of us play the game.

Just now, Martyn said:

As you can see he is referring to the 12 hours.. not the 10 days.  After 10 days.. they still do not auto demo.

Keep reading, he does refer to 10 days, and yes they do demo. The issue you are experiencing is that it is treating it in game as a structure that should demolish after 12 hours, therefore the CLIENT believes its decay timer has expired hence why it is saying demolish. But the SERVER is seeing it as an active structure with less than 10 days having passed. But your CLIENT is preventing you from seeing that, hence why it says it can be demolished but it can't.

8 minutes ago, Martyn said:

No they don't.. You see.. their stuff is protected by the island.. so even if they go offline for months, years, decades.. their stuff is still protected. After 10 days all that happens, is there's a line of text on their stuff that reads "can be demolished".

But it actually can't.

This post that you actually hit 'like' on, therefore acknowledging you had read it clearly states it is client side only.

As you can see, Jat clearly says it is client side only and they are respecting their full 10 day decay timers and can be demolished after 10 days or auto demolished after next restart. I've seen it happen for myself.

2 minutes ago, Martyn said:

No they don't.. You see.. their stuff is protected by the island.. so even if they go offline for months, years, decades.. their stuff is still protected. After 10 days all that happens, is there's a line of text on their stuff that reads "can be demolished".

But it actually can't.

But you know there's a bug related to that currently. So stop acting like it is intended.

Also that is ONLY CLIENT SIDE. It is not forever protected. You need to understand this.

Also, you get free gold whenever people do treasure hunts, I lose upto 20% of that gold when I do treasure hunts on an island. You also get free resources when people farm on the island. Yet you claim no-one does anything for the island yet you get free resources?

Or do you still not believe that people are taxed gold in PvE?

2 minutes ago, Martyn said:

I have to grind out maps all week.. or kill pods of whales.. just to allow people to get unlimited structure decay on my island that they do absolutely nothing for.

But obviously.. that's nothing.  I'm sure the guys who grind out your maps.. would understand my point.

Unlimited structure decay? Settlers have a 10 day structure decay just the same as lawless and unclaimed islands. It is no different whether you claim the island or not.

You are now showing your lack of knowledge considering you play so much, or you are just trolling, not sure which is worse tbh.

7 minutes ago, boomervoncannon said:

Except this is factually incorrect and multiple posters have already pointed out to you that the owner is supported by taxes of both gold AND resources as compared to the rent the owner pays which is only in gold, a resource you have demonstrated you don’t place a high value with your Worth It? thread.

At this point you are just willfully denying reality and when that is pointed out to you, you concoct a further fantasy that I’m calling you a nazi when no such thing has occurred.

I'm not even sure what this "work" actually is?

I mean from my view an island owner:

a) Gets upto 20% FREE resources from anyone, settlers and visitors that farm on the island - no work required for land owner.

b) Gets upto 20% of FREE gold obtained from from treasure maps that anyone, settlers and visitors dig up, and they themselves lose that 20% gold as it is not additive like resources - no work required for land owner.

c) Have to pay gold upkeep for the land claim - well settlers and visitors support that by digging up treasure maps, also the land owner makes their own decision to claim an island and therefore accepts that responsibility.

d) Land owners have a responsibility, if they chose to do so, to monitor the island and clean up any mess or spam made with 24 hours of placement. Again, they chose this responsibility when they claim land and they do not have to carry out that activity unlike paying the claim flag it is not a necessity.

So really i'm struggling to see where land owners do all the work? 

8 minutes ago, Kummba said:

The information is out there!

Yep, and all the casual players are even aware of this issue already too and know that it's a bug that Jat has explained the reason behind it. It's good to be casual! 

5 hours ago, Jatheish said:

We've gone ahead and will be disabling the option to raze islands on PvE. Structure spam is still an issue, and one we would like to resolve but we recognize the problems this causes on a PvE network, in particular to settlers who have been living under the guise that their bases would be safe following the initial structure-placement timer. We'll keep on reading your guys' feedback and consider ourselves more suitable ways to approach this.

This patch also introduces a change where island owners can place down more tax banks around their island, to help encourage other settlers who live there to contribute to the upkeep cost. 

There's a lot of fair and valid feedback here, but there are also some unnecessary remarks towards one another. Remember, it's okay to have a different opinion and share it folks, but keep things civil

Thanks @Jatheish for reverting the change to the raze mechanic on PvE, and thank you to @Dollie for taking the time to listen to us and take notes from this discussion (I say discussion loosely because it did get unnecessarily heated at times).

I do apologise for my personal behaviour, and not making any excuses for it but I do love Atlas which is why i've dedicated as much time as I can over the last 4 months since wipe and would rather not lose all that progress due to another player in PvE.

8 hours ago, Martyn said:

The large amount who don't even play the game? Thier opinions, like yours, don't matter.

I'd also like to thank the Devs for not having the same attitude as this, which is one reason why things got so heated because the casual players of PvE, which lets face it is what it is often designed for constantly got told they don't have a right to comment. So i'm glad the majority in this debate were listened to.

As for the spam situation, I'm fully aware of the difficult situation it presents, and I'm hopeful that other less destructive solutions will come in the future.

Long Live PvE!

Just now, Martyn said:

I think it's great how you just make up stuff in your own head and then accuse people claiming they said it.

Like you make stuff up in your head claiming the majority support this in PvE when there's about 2 people in this topic that support it compared to the large amount that don't?

Also like you make stuff up in your head that people in this topic don't play Atlas and have no right to comment?

Every post you make now is an embarrassment.

@Jatheish @Dollie Is there any update on this?

I'm curious to understand your thoughts on how giving PvE players a nuke to wipe entire islands of months of innocent active players structures is considered PvE?

33 minutes ago, Martyn said:

Bearing in mind.. they have to wait 48 hours.. before they can even do it.

So anyone who does get caught out.. will be a casual player and they don't matter, because they're a casual player..

Oh my god the arrogance is through the roof. I once though negatively of @Realist but man you are the worst i've seen in the these games.

You expect tenants to do what exactly in 48 hours? You realise that most of us don't have the luxury to play 16 hours a day 6 days a week. Most of us have full time jobs, and things called lives.

PvE is designed for casual players.... but nice to see you think of yourself as much more than a casual player that is hiding out in PvE because you know how bad you are at this game.

I mean the number of times i've told you that taxes on PvE DO tax gold yet you still fail to accept this just goes to show the fact that as you spend 57% of your life playing this game it is all going to waste.

1 minute ago, Martyn said:

There are no taxes.  It's just a 20% bonus to all settlement owners.

You still don't realise that claimed island taxes DO tax gold?????? How many times do people have to tell you this? It is only additive for resources NOT gold.

Man you play 16 hours a day 6 days a week and you hardly know anything about this game.

Just now, Martyn said:

Got issues much?

I left Eu, because I like Americans.

I think you are the one with issues, you sound like Trump right now.

11 minutes ago, crazywildfire said:

Isn't the goal to give feedback and try to get it right the first time? If someone and in this case many see the flaws to try and figure something else out regardless if it will happen or not? If can happen and it is a flaw it should be addressed right or wrong? I don't maybe it is me.

I been reading every post here for a day or 2. I agree this is a bad thing for pve. I think it is also a good thing but needs something more to it. 48 hours isn't that long of time for the casual players. What harm is it to give 10 days on it? Also on top of that would it be that hard to put something in the game to add to it such as those that are active in those 10 days can some how put in the cookie jar that I'm active and live here so after the 10 days when the island does wipe anything you or the company you are with built is safe anything else is gone. 

Something like that idk. Sorry for the run on sentence I'm at work and on phone and in a hurry so apologies lol.

The issue here is the NUKE is designed to wipe "active" spam. Any inactive spam is automatically wiped after 10 days because the owners have gone inactive. So having a "cookie jar" wouldn't really work because anyone active can pay into it to keep their spam safe.

As for the 48 hours, that is not an issue, I mean if a new landowner can't wipe the island for 48 hours after taking it then that is no different from waiting 10 days after taking it, because the end result is still a nuke going off.

Yeah we all know that structure spam is a problem and it needs tackling.

But giving landowners a nuke that will obliterate an entire island, which may I point out the majority will be structures of innocent active players is ludicrous to put it lightly.

People say it will be used as a last resort by those that intend on not abusing it, well that's fine to say, however, the structure spam will continue to grow, which means people will eventually be forced into the last resort because there is NO other option.

If the Devs had told us 4 months ago that land owners will be able to nuke entire islands then I wouldn't have bothered settling on an unclaimed island, I would have stuck with Lawless.

It seems the Devs have no interest in encouraging players to settle on islands, even though in their stream they were very encouraging of the mechanic. All they have done since is make claimed islands just as beneficial as lawless and have now made lawless much more beneficial.

It's funny because I told Dollie that there is no incentive for people to move from Lawless to claimed islands, even with the tax becoming additive it still didn't really add any incentive. Now they make it a million times worse. I just can't make head nor tail of it.

This makes me laugh.

In the recent Captain's Log they said:

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Before we begin, we’d like to give each and every one of you a huge thanks for the support you’ve shown ATLAS. Over the course of ATLAS’ development, our recent review scores on Steam have jumped considerably. We just wanted to express our thanks and show our gratitude for your support.

Then they pretty much ended it with...... "to show our gratitude for your support we are giving PvE players nukes to wipe out islands. 

Welcome to the club where PvE players despise this new PvP mechanic.

You mentioned about Steam reviews, well this makes me laugh. In the recent Captain's log they said:

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Before we begin, we’d like to give each and every one of you a huge thanks for the support you’ve shown ATLAS. Over the course of ATLAS’ development, our recent review scores on Steam have jumped considerably. We just wanted to express our thanks and show our gratitude for your support.

Then they pretty much ended it with...... "to show our gratitude for your support we are giving PvE players nukes to wipe out islands.