Daemon Cross

John where have you been ? I got your elephant?

I’m neither a slave or a slaver that’s what we are trying to get across to you all, solo players are neither the slaves or the slavers, we can have a community without having a leader, we don’t need someone to give us directions because we are able think on our own. You should try it sometime, not everyone is a follower and wants someone to lead them, some of us travel our own paths and meet people along the way. The last tale of pirates I heard of was called Black Sails and I do believe they fought for freedom there to, there was a community but it was there as a trade city where pirates could trade stolen goods, Blackbeard lived on a island with his crew, my crew and I’m sure yours are as well are npc so they can live on the ships. So in our game I guess Freeport’s are the trade towns and everyone else should live on their own claim, not under someone else. I bet you were referring to Peter Pans tribe of misfits and we are all going to live happily under one person who tells us what to do. Let’s see - Ah yes Pirates of the Caribbean- I don’t think they had little groups where they all cozy up and told bedtime stories either, they had a port they all went to though. I’m sorry I can think of several other pirates, Redbeard, Davey Jones and some others but you know I don’t think any of them would ever live under someone else. None of them were followers and neither is your company leader. We don’t need dictators in the game, we need FREEDOM!!!

Not sure who you are referring to that didn’t have claims, not sure you even read through the recent comments. I’ll catch you up - one person says they suggested what is coming to the developers saying that since him and a few others were the top 10 companies in the game because they held the most land claims that this is a single owner of a island should be a good idea. They can be landlords having 15 members of their company to each large island as a reward for holding land in the current system and becoming one of the top 10 companies. They will police everyone else by basically saying if you follow our rules you can build here if you don’t we will force you out. I think that sums up that part, now the other half you missed is where those of us who done as you done had land, not much but 1 to 3 claims is against their idea and were saying they are the reason people couldn’t find land with the original system. Now that you are caught up you can choose to be with the large companies who will control everything or against them. Most of us are against them

I can’t comment on what has happened to the pvp side of the game, I won’t assume that I know anything about it. I know your pain though when it comes to players leaving. Lotus - you were one of the top companies and the game mechanics encourage that. I understand but that still does not make it right, as a solo player I was able to find claims and then gave them away to help others. You took claims in order to hold rank. With as many people complaining in the forums about not being able to find land, you felt holding a rank was more important then having a player base. By holding land you didn’t need is that not a form of causing grief to someone who held no land ? The issue was that there wasn’t a place to build, the issue was that no one wanted to build on someone elses land. Which is the same system that is currently being implemented just in a different form. You may own the island, your company may push smaller players out so you can have what they got. That is the system now and the system that is coming, so explain how the new system is going to bring players back to stay ? You stated that you had a lot of people who signed in on a weekly basis but that number dwindled, without players to have other players to interact with you don’t have a mmo. You stated that the game got to a point that you switched to pvp a couple weeks before the announcement of the wipe. You switched because companies like yours pushed so many people out of the game or pve side on official that it was no longer fun, there are a few of us still playing the pve side on official and it’s not because we have rank or more claims then we need it’s because we only have a few claims and made our homes on them. There is enough of us in different companies that we’ve become a little community and it’s not because of rank or how much land land we have, it’s because we would rather help someone then see them quit the game. I hope you are starting to understand why I said you were part of the problem whether you played by the encouragement of the game design or not.

You stated pvp has 2 x the amount of pvers, no kidding, they pushed pvers out of the game with the exploits and griefing. You asked where the griefing was, did you even watch the video?

Is that not the system we have now ? Your saying you decide who can build and who can’t ? What made you God, Jury and Executioner ? In case you didn’t notice you repeated yourself a lot in the items you had around the island, I also had a storage box for each material , BP’s and musical notes, armor, leftover building structures, I can guarantee you don’t need a whole island. Your a griefer trying to justify your actions, keep letting us in on more of how you played the game. You can’t justify having more land than you need, you can’t justify saying who can and can’t build and you can’t justify how I play the game vs how you play it. Just give it up, the more you let be known is not winning any awards from a solo players POV

Oh btw “@NotDollie I mean, if I weren't doing Community Manager things, I'd likely be trolling nerds in ATLAS too. youtube.com/watch?v=BfxB3l… @KOSDFF ” I’ve got the screenshot to, I’ll try to post the link but in the video you can see a guy taking down a anchored Galleon from shore using a cannon. he does other things that are considered griefing but Dollie justifies it saying he was captured in her comments and held captive but let go because he was so annoying.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say this again “just because it’s early access does not mean there will be wipes” the developers had to submit a form that outlines the plans they had for a early release game title, in that form it has to mention in detail what will take place, this is a binding agreement that can be held accountable. Steam covers themselves by stating that this is a early access game and it may or may not change from its current state, this is no mention of server wipes, resets or anything of that nature. If you’ve played enough EA games then you know what I’m saying is true, games that plan to have server wipe list it in the details as a forewarning to players who may be interested in playing. Atlas did not, they panicked and seen no other way to fix the issues they had without wiping the servers. Now as a precautionary step they are saying this is the 1st wipe and there may be more if needed. Actually, I just made all that up, I have no idea what takes place to be honest but it sounded good.

But your contradicting yourself, you stated that a solo player had 2 claims and a large company griefed him for those two claims so they could own the entire island, there is no difference in one person owning a island or a large company, if for example I own the island and a large company settles on it and they decide they want ownership and ask me for the claim but I deny it. They can grief me until I give in, vice versa - your company makes the claim but I build there and you say we want this island for our members only, you will need to join or leave, if I refuse they can grief me until I give in one way or another. The only solution is to fix the exploits, have instant based bases or claims per account that doesn’t allow others to build on your claim. Furthermore your saying 15 people per large island, have you seen how many claims it takes to go around the outside of a large island ? With that thinking right there is why we are in the situation that we are in now, companies with that same mind frame controlled all the land and no one had a place to build. I mean what in the hell would 15 people do with a large island that could hold 150 to 200 claims with the current claim flags. As you being a large company then you may be entitled to 5 claims, that’s room to build a base for storage, a pen to hold your tames and several shipyards to build your ships. Figuring you can get what, 8 shipyards within a single claim now, 5 claims is plenty for a large company. Afterall you are a company, you should stick together not fan out and take up space that you’ll never use. You are no different than the griefers who were causing people to leave, you want people to be part of a large company so it looks good, if people don’t want to be part of a large company then you frown upon them because this is a mmo after all and it’s supposed to be team based, so there is no room for solo players. Aside from raids in WoW ( that scenario ) where you had to group up to do the content there was no benefit to being in a guild. Even World of Warcraft adapted the frame of mind that solo players could join in by joining a random queue to find a group, ESO had public dungeons that solo players could enter and join in with other solo players to do the content. This game is no different, this is not a instanced based game, if your large company is fighting the Kraken and I show up to get a hit on it I’ll bet I get credit for the battle. I really don’t know for sure because I’ve had no interest in doing end game content. So explain to me again why I need to join a large company or where the difference is in griefing between a solo and large company, I mean afterall whether it’s a large company or solo players that’s griefing someone they are still considered assholes.

The only way we can make it work is to keep making suggestions and hope that the majority of pvers will all agree on one of them and grapeshot will move in that direction. The current system that is going to be implemented isn’t designed right, solo players can own small islands and large companies can own large islands, with 800 + islands that will be in the game, at max server load how many players are going to complain because they can’t own land ? It’s going to be a repeat of the same issues we started with, only differences are that we may not see the rush of players after the wipe as we did when it 1st released. So who plays now will have land possibly and those who start later will not.

Your also wrong, making islands owned by one person will not fix griefing, mega companies will still troll people in hopes to make them quit or give up the area they are on. The only way to stop griefing is to make claims only build able to the people who own them. If I own a claim and you can’t build there then there is no way to grief me. Unless you use a exploit which I would take a video of and you’d be banned. The developers may choose not to ban and they already admitted to liking the fact people use exploits but they are in the business to make money and if they continue to show favoritism towards griefing then I can pretty much bet they will be jobless because the financial backing they have will pull funding if they can’t bring in a player base. Players will not tolerate others using exploits anymore then the 40000 players who have already left. The only reason this game is still floating is because it is in early access and they have convinced the financial backing that they could turn it around and bring players back to the game. I will guarantee you that without a player base to pay for the servers it requires to run this game, the game won’t last. You are for the large companies but you’ve never once stated why my idea wouldn’t work. You stated because large companies will grief you until you leave, I got news for you, large companies can grief each other as well so being part of one has no benefit. I’m not going to troll another player in this game but I won’t tolerate bullshit from another player either. I have no desire to be part of a large company and be subjected to the mouth of its members. If you truly believe that my idea won’t work then point out the ways it will fail and I’ll show the ways it will succeed.

See here lies the problem, This is my personal opinion as a solo player. Do you want to have your own land - yes Do you want to have a whole island - no Do you want to rent from someone - no Do you want someone to police you - no Do you want to be part of a mega company - no Do you want to have an upkeep - not really but if it means owning land and no one can build on my couple claims then it’s fine. How much land do you need - Enough for storage areas, taming pens and 4 shipyards. Why - because I want what’s fair for one to be fair for all. Explain - just because you play the game as a solo player you should be treated no different than someone who plays with 20 of their friends. What about mega companies - If a person joins a company then what they own becomes part of that company, if that person leaves a company then what they own leaves as well. So you think this would solve the claim issues - yes Explain- by limiting claims per account then that stops flag spamming, that stops pillar spamming and that stops foundations spamming because you can only build within your claim or on someone else’s claim that is set to public building

Yeah I’ve already heard it in my head? “Well just join a company and use their stuff” even the company leader said the same thing as everyone else has, “ I created this company because I didn’t want to join someone else’s “

The issue is that everyone wants to be the landlord and no one wants to be the tenant, it doesn’t matter if you are one of the ones who’s saying that you’ll just live on lawless or you’ll just live on your ship you are still being your own boss. Those that say I don’t mind living under someone else as long as they have the rules the way I like them is basically saying, I don’t care who owns the land as long as I can still do what I want on the land is still playing by the same rules as those living on lawless or on their ships. What it all boils down to is no one is going to be happy in the game until they can have their own area to build. Even those who say I’ll just live at sea, how many times are you going to lose everything at sea and start over in a Freeport until you’ve had enough and at least want a shipyard already built ?

How did you set up different levels of access ? I’m not sure I’ve seen the options. On top of that if I was to join a company and that company becomes toxic and I wanted to leave then everything I had built in that company is lost. I can give more reasons not to join a company then I can to join one. It would be different if your belongings stayed associated with your account ID like it is in most games, that way when I left anything associated with that ID left with me.

The thing was with the old system, you could change your claims to public build rights, I could begin building and then you could stop public building and all the work I had done would be pointless. If you as a landowner state that I can have one structure and no more then you could limit me to what I wanted to build, as you stated “ play by the rules and you can live here” that’s why the old system failed and that’s why the new system will fail, no one wants to live by someone else’s rules. The new system is setup for people to own an island but requires mats to keep ownership, the developers are hoping that this will encourage land owners to allow building on their island and the resources gathered on that island will be taxed and admitted to the upkeep box. That is the new system, if a small company of 5 wanted to maintain the upkeep for a island then they could so and not allow anyone else to build there. Again that is similar to the old system you just described. People are worried about others blocking in resources or building over resources, I’m sorry but it’s hard pressed to find an area without some type of resources that you are going to build on. Whether it be stone, salt, fiber, wood or thatch your structures are going to cover something. So what makes it fair for the landowners to build over resources but not the tenants? A lot of you keep saying that I’ll just remain in lawless and deal with a four day timer, I’d love to be able to say that I will do that as well but the fact is, if I can’t take a family vacation and be gone from the game for a week then there isn’t much point in continuing to play and that’s going to go towards a lot of players who have no desire to join someone else’s company. I have no desire to be part of a company where a new recruit and jump on my ships and go sink them. There is nothing in the game that prevents this unless you set admin rights and prevent people from using certain things, if I’m the recruit I can’t set admin rights on a ship I build while in another company.

I don’t care how you look at it, the game may be in it’s early stages but it was officially released to the public to purchase at a discounted price, we did not have to submit a questionnaire in order to participate in beta or alpha testing. So therefore it was officially made available to the public to purchase the game

We are on two different levels, you keep referring to we and I’m pretty much a solo player, where you all zoomed through the game and was basically bored before the wipe I had never even got the 1st powerstone, the ship idea I had came from using a canoe in waters with heavy debris, as the canoe moved through it, it just retook it’s form as I passed. Even if you had 100 rafts that were anchored as long as they would shift out of my way as I came in contact with them then I would be able to pass through them. As long as I wasn’t full sail then I shouldn’t take damage but if I was to open the sails up then it would be considered ramming speed and I would take damage. You already stated that you had so many rare mats of various types that you were preparing for harder content, my idea on the resources was there for basic building, it wasn’t a idea for BP’s which requires three or more different types of the same materials. Yes that would still require traveling. the instance is there for you to build a base, your ships and a storage area that can’t be griefed, just like a guild hall in some games that is instance based, I think WoW had that system, I know ESO does for the housing. Again there is no game content in the little instance you own so in order to gather resources or acquire tames you would still have to travel but there would be no way to grief someone at their base unless they invited you into the instance.

The public test realm would have been a nice thought before opening up to EA, I really always figured EA was a official release with bugs that needed worked out but progress was still possible. I never dreamed of a wipe occurring, having the PTR prior to the EA release would have solved so many of the issues the wipe is supposed to address.

Unless it’s stated somewhere official then it’s still up in the air, I’ve never seen Jat or Dollie involved with any of the chats I’ve been with.

No it wouldn’t remove traveling from the game, it would simplify some aspects of the game and hopefully solve some of the griefing issues that are in the game. The game was never meant to be a grind fest, once you got your ships built you were supposed to be doing game content, treasure maps, power stones, trade routes, there is more items in the game besides, the basic resources and if you wanted specific tames then you would have to travel to certain biomes.

Can you show me the link that your seeing this on.

I’ll never leave, they will have drive me away in the backseat with handcuffs to restrain me unless they make the game pvpve, then I’m gone.

My question is : Are they running a pvp PTR or pve PTR ? They never really cleared that up and if you read the CL then it looks like the changes they want to test is for the pvp servers. If you really read it everything is directed towards pvp except the little paragraph that is titled PVE, for all we really know none of what we’ve been going on about has anything to do with pve? We may just have claim flags removed and that’s it.

With ongoing wipes and not being able to own your land and the need to always be online to keep anything from decaying or being demolished. You’ll have a handful of people that remain, you’ll see numbers about like they are now, people will come in and give it ago then get pissed off because they still have to live on someone else’s land, have a upkeep to maintain and still deal with always having to be online. Then the numerous of other issues the game had before the wipe was even mentioned. They will leave and say the same thing, “I’ll try it again in a few months or I’ll wait till it comes out of EA” This is going to be a continued occurrence because there is to many issues that most people won’t deal with for very long. I myself have the patience to deal with most things but I don’t have the patience to deal with pvp. Just not my cup of tea.