Graylance Ravenwind

My personal issue with current guns is not the mini-game, but their effectiveness vs. their cost in all respects (Skill Points, Crafting/Repair Cost, Bullet Costs). I posted my observations in this post just after v10 hit.

 

It is such a MAJOR update it took 2 bullet points to write. And 0 changes to guns

Hello All,

Just like we have taxation building, it would be very cool to also be able to build trade hubs and hire NPCs that would act as shopkeepers.

You would be able to set up trade values in gold for sale and purchase or even in direct resource to resource conversion set by players.

I know it is probably got going to happen, since it is hard to come up with a mechanic where this kind of building would be safe from destruction and looting, as well as poor NPCs will be most likely pillaged and raped. 

Still, just a suggestion. I enjoyed this kind of aspect of the game in Star Wars Galaxies.

 

Cheers.

Yesterday me and and my crew mate went on an expedition to a small island in the tundra region and there were at least 25 wolves and 6 lions constantly spawning. We would kill off a group of 15 and while working on the rest of the wolves and lions a new spawn of 3 wolves and a lion would spawn creating a never ending spawn of predators.

After spending almost an hour clearing these packs we ended up with a count of kills which totaled in 98 wolves and 25 lions which we killed and still could barely touch the land as they kept on spawning and denying us access to the beach. So in no certain terms we decided to leave this hellhole and continue on to the next.

P.S. most of these predators would spawn with a level of 1-5 or 15-24 constantly. And even after killing as many as we did I barely gained any XP at my current level of 48.

55 minutes ago, pyrate27 said:

Firearms are not suppose to be a DPS weapon you use face to face with an enemy in prolonged battle while furiously reloading. 

Carbines are for longer range shooting. The DPS difference is undefined, since you are not hitting with the bow at the range you want to be using a carbine. A shot to the head kills a wolf. It is a good weapon to clear the shoreline before landing, well out of range of any trouble. 

Flintocks are for closer range, but you swap them out after you use the pre-loaded shot. They are for spike damage on the desired target before engaging with a bow or melee. 

The great benefit of firearms comes when you have multiple players and are coordinating your shots to spike specific targets. 

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Sadly, bows are currently the most powerful weapon and the cheapest weapon with ease of access in our hands, at least when it comes to culling the wildlife.

Hope this helps.

I have no prejudgment about guns or bows, I am just stating the observations I made. I agree with you on the idea of how these weapons should work, but at the current state they are not working in that exact fashion.

However, I do have a certain efficiency stance on the subject matter - the absolute value of the cost for the guns and bows (in terms of attribute point investment and material cost) versus their efficiency is what bugs me a little bit. In my personal opinion, these resources and points would be better spent on other skills and passives.

 

Thank you! 

Hello all!

 

Instead of bashing the change, I decided to go and lay out the current state of the bows and firearms in general for myself. I like thinking and taking notes, so I am just going to go through this for myself while taking notes in here. As I do so for myself, you will get to reap the information I gather. So let's go to it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reload Timers------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bow Reload Timers Test

Quick Draw shot = 1 sec

Full Draw shot = 3 sec

Pistol Reload Timers Test

NO RELOAD SPEED BONUSES

Perfect Reload = 15 seconds

Auto Reload =  19 seconds

Spam click (complete failure ) = 20  seconds

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+30% Reload Speed

 

Perfect Reload = 12 seconds

Auto Reload = 16 seconds

Spam click (complete failure ) = 17  seconds

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Carbine Reload Timers Test

Perfect Reload = 15 seconds

Auto Reload = 20 seconds

Spam click (complete failure ) = 21 seconds

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DPS TESTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Test #1

Object: Training Dummy

Bow skills = 0

All Gun Reload Skills.

Bow :  4 x shots at 35 dmg each Dummy DPS score of 28

Pistol: 1 x shots at 90 dmg each Dummy DPS score of 18

Carbine: 1 x shot at 160 dmg each Dummy DPS score of 32

I don't trust this meter since it has a flawed truncated calculation method based on 5 second rule.

Test #2

Object:  lvl 7 Giraffe Field Test

• Carbine shot = 136 Dmg
  • Extrapolated Perfect Reload DPS: 136/15 = 9.06
  • Extrapolated Auto Reload DPS: 136/20= 6.8
  • Extrapolated Spam Click Reload DPS: 136/21 = 6.48

 

• Flintlock Shot No Buffs = 75 Dmg
  • Extrapolated Perfect Reload DPS: 75/15 = 5
  • Extrapolated Auto Reload DPS: 75/20= 3.95
  • Extrapolated Spam Click Reload DPS: 75/21 = 3.75

 

• Flintlock Shot +30% Reload Buff = 75 Dmg
  • Extrapolated Perfect Reload DPS: 75/12 = 6.25
  • Extrapolated Auto Reload DPS: 75/16= 4.69
  • Extrapolated Spam Click Reload DPS: 75/17 = 4.41

 

• Bow Shot No Buff = 34 Dmg
  • Extrapolated Quick  DPS: 34/1 = 34
  • Extrapolated Full Reload DPS: 34/3 = 11.33

 

In this controlled test we are able to see that the Bow wins even with 0 buffs. However, this example does not include a situation where multiple pistols are worn and the switch can be done within 2 seconds between each shot, but even in that specific case the damage of the pistols would go up to about 37.5 in which case the pistol would win the damage race.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------SKILL POINT COST------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Let us look however on the other side of the problem that is caused by this firearms nerf. The problem is the investment cost of Bow vs. Firearm

First cost is in Skill Points:

Bow requires these skills: Tools of Trade (1 point) > Archery (3 points) totaling 4 points for non-buffed damage explored above.

Flintlock requires these skills: Tools of Trade (1 point) > Archery (3 points)> Ballistic Studies (2 points) > Improved Ballistic Studies (4 Points) > Expert ballistic Studies (10 Points) > Sapper (6 points) > Firearms Unlock (4 Points) > Pistol Basics (2 points) a total of :

1. 32 points for 0% reload buff weapon crafting; (32 total)
2. +14 points for +30% reload buff; (46 total)
3. +24 points for Carbine unlock; (70 total)

Bow once again wins in accessibility and point cost.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------CRAFTING and MAINTENANCE COST------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Second is the Crafting and Maintenance Costs:

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Bow    (Can Be crafted anywhere!)

• 60 fiber
• 6 Hide
• 22 Wood

Bow Repair 1/2 resources:

• 30 Fiber
• 3 Hide
• 11 Wood

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Flintlock  (Crafted ONLY at the Smithy!)

• 16 Flint
• 18 Hide
• 36 Metal
• 8 Oil
• 22 Wood

Flintlock Repair 1/2 resources:

• 8 Flint
• 9 Hide
• 18 Metal
• 4 Oil
• 11 Wood

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Carbine (Crafted ONLY at the Smithy!)

• 65 Alloy
• 3 Flint
• 32 Hide
• 20 Oil
• 85 Wood

Carbine Repair 1/2 cost:

• 33 Alloy
• 2 Flint
• 16 Hide
• 10 Oil
• 43 Wood

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Clearly, yet again Bow wins!

Last but not least the per bullet cost as well as accessibility of resources in materials goes up exponentially when we compare Bow to Flintlock and Carbine making per shot cost yet again in favor of the bow.

 

Sadly, bows are currently the most powerful weapon and the cheapest weapon with ease of access in our hands, at least when it comes to culling the wildlife.

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is a bit ridiculous. Most of the islands are very small and the radius at which the foundations block resource spawns are ridiculously large. This is not ARK, they should not impose this silly mechanic on this game. Furthermore, this is one reason why most of the official servers in ARK were shit, people would spam foundation claims and block resources just because they felt like being trolls.

In current patch the Firearm damage is absolutely the worst.

Considering the point investment to get the firearms and especially the carbine and the cost of making/maintaining these guns which lose durability per shot, paired with extremely long reload animation even with perfect minigame and all the perks, I am able to shoot 7-9 arrows which do about 11 dmg without any perks thus about 77-99 dmg. 

I seriously see no point to guns at this stage as they are a costly investment and way less dmg at the cost of higher maintenance cost.

Yes, I am aware that I can wear 6 pistols and a carbine at a time, but even then it is pitiful as each hit or miss is way more expensive in the long run.

 

sigh....

I was so happy to read about this change in the patch notes and assumed that they will allow us to fill the jugs from dug up water spouts (as they are called in game).

I imagined that we will be able to go dig up the water, fill a jug or two, bring it to the water reservoir fill it up and have some reprieve from complete dryness in the desert for farming purposes.

But I guess they were referring to the water spouts that are a part of irrigation system. Which is a shame, still no good way to farm in the desert. 

/cry

YES, temperatures are out of whack, and I also noticed that armors have changed their Hyper/Hypo values. Metal armor no longer as viable for Hyper(heat) Insulation. And almost all the armors are geared towards Hypo (cold).