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kinda what I was saying but with 2 claims per player apart from having the choice to move your claim to company territory or not. See what youre getting at

But all this aside.... wouldent it be good to try a server with a cap per player ( and per company if required) to see how it would play out? Id like to see it. The only real big issue I had with previous system was that players could just spam the claims, company or not. In theory it wasn't any different to foundation spam in lawless I guess

9 minutes ago, Winter Thorne said:

Since even a single player is technically a company (or can be), if you just set the limits per company rather than per player it covers singles as well as multiples.  If you wanted to do 1 claim per player and 5 claims for a company 5-10 players, then if I'm a company of 1, and I have my claim, and then join with a company of 4, we'd collectively get 5 claims.  One of those could be my old one, or not..we'd have to work out which claims we wanted.

Edited to add -  you'd arrange this...form the company, lose your flags, and reclaim them under the new company name.  It's the same way people worked it before when giving a flag to another person.

Ok thank you I see the point. But what happens to player number 6 joining the company? Does he not get a claim entitlement? And I assume this would happen to company players 7, 8, 9 and 10, before you get to the next company claim tier? The only problem I see there is that it will kinda put people off joining companies? which is very similar to the current claim system: cant have a claim but can live under someone elses?

yes but youd only have 2 claims now. One person could not just spam for miles as before. Even a company would be limited to 2 per player. So still an element of spam maybe: If company players would be willing to use their 2 claims just to fill space. I see what you mean, but a hard limit of 2 would be very different from how it was. You wouldent be able to stick your 14 down as you once did. You would need another 6 players in company just to do that. Be nice to see the screenshot though

2 minutes ago, UDO said:

not a 2 per player including if in a company should be limite per company , 1-10 player 6 flags 10-25 players 12 flags 25-50 players 20 flags that imo would be perfect amounts 

20 flags can cover a good half of a small island or a very large area on a larger island 

But what happens if, say, 10 players each set up there claim, then form a company? Claims would be taken away?

Just trying to understand the system

17 minutes ago, Winter Thorne said:

You have to put a company cap on it, otherwise they'd just just the majority of every island...free travel anywhere on the map, etc.  There's nothing wring with a company cap really.  When you're sharing boatyards, storage, taming pens, etc, you don't need that much room, and it would encourage them to group their claims together and build bigger, more planned stuff.

Well that would be the cap? 2 flags per player? Ok so 500 player company has 1000 claims? Takes time to get to 500 players I imagine? Plenty of time for smaller companies to grab the land they want? And if there has to be a company cap ( which im not against btw), surely just be a start to try the system? If popular, changes to caps can be made after? Just be nice to try what a lot of people suggested and wanted all along. Grapeshot got nothing to lose.

Sorry trying to make myself clearer. You find an island and claim 2 spots. Then find super company you want to join. That's cool. But then youd have to chose to move your claims to company territory or stay where you are. No more extra claims. The only issue I see with general company cap is how do you set it? Not being an arse, just wondering where anyone would set the limit? We played as a smallish company before wipe, so cant really judge what a fair level for a company cap is.

cos maybe they would like to see how it works? fuck it, okay, make it a live server.... EAs all testing anyhow

How about it? Put up a test server with a claim flag limit with flags working as they used too? say 2 flags per player. No company cap. Company has 100 players, that's 200 claim flags for the company? It would be interesting to see the player figures for a server running like that. I reckon you guys may be surprised how quickly it fills. ( yeah I know the old argument about mega company claims, but it would still be capped to 2 per player maximum. A large company would naturally have more claiming ability). I mean itd only be a test server right? could always be removed? got nowt to lose. 

Just a weird far out idea

Feel for you. Shame nobody at Grapeshot ever comes here

same boring old crap. File this under "more grapeshot bs"

you are correct

"get it right"

A bit like SOEs old "soon"

6 hours ago, UncleMike said:

After they announced the 1 island 1 claim system and said they would just copy paste that to PVE but no wartime the forums were full of "please don't do this". I was very vocal in discord about what a bad idea this was but, I knew that they wouldn't develop two claims systems, its too much effort. We (my company) had all but decided to go. In discord I was told to wait and the changes might not be final. Then Dollie solicited a bunch of feedback in discord on PVE, and for a moment I was hopeful. Then we see the captains log today and what we got was...

"We're keeping it how we said in captain's log but we'll keep an eye on it".

I think I got my money's worth out of the game, so I am not here to complain, just to say, farewell. It's clear the direction of this game is PvP and offline raiding and that's totally a fine choice. We tried PVP and we spent all our time defending our tiny base and no time on the water. I dont see that changing significantly, and pve is "Feudal Lord and Serf Simulator 1.0". We've decided to move on, but did enjoy our time here.

Farewell and good luck. We are offski too. Be safe

Change your topic subject to "we are all going to die before the server wipe comes because they keep putting it off"

TY

31 minutes ago, Sargon Trillian said:

Please, just tell me when will the wipe happen then? What is going to happen on the 20th? Nothing?! I want to see the new system in action as soon as it is ready. I expected the test server info right after the announcement. Give me something so I can plan my time off. I'd like to be there for this. 

Community: Let me know what we know for sure about the upcoming changes? Have there been any Dates or times that are set?

Devs: Don't drag the community around with no firm timing. It kills desire.  Give us something to test at least. 

 

Thanks,

this

Hang on a minute...…. im playing early access to essentially test a game, so icould join the PTR to test the game I will be testing on the early access. Will there be a PTR2 where we can test stuff before we test it on PTR before we test it on EA? Just release it on the EA and we will test. Youre wiping it anyway so what does it matter?

Annnnnnyway. We're not up for any more delays. Possibly the death knell for our small group of players. Fun while it lasted

That's just too funny. Sad thing is though...…. it doesent seem to far from the truth

3 hours ago, Grongash said:

Better this way than not telling us and giving us a 2 day notice... 

58 minutes ago, boomervoncannon said:

It was an analogy and I don't live anywhere near the coast nor in my mom's basement. Stop trying to use ad hominem attacks to denigrate a perfectly valid analogy. No one was making a point about whether someone's life was in danger. That's irrelevant, so stop trying to pretend I was saying anything about that.

This load of bollox you're trying to pass off as he's not complaining about the wipe but the amount of warning is completely undermined by the fact he's specfically complaining about his 333 hours. He further complains about the risk of future wipes, not future wipe warning timing.  If he's complaining about the timing of a warning, neither of those things would be relevant, so it's ironic you're telling me to read and understand when it's apparent you didn't do so yourself.

im sorry if you thought I was making a personal attack on you. Well, actually im not. Im sure ive seen some similar pretentious crap on the forums somewhere. Maybe not you, but similar breed. The facts stand that the OP and other posters are complaining ( rightly so) about the time frame imposed on the wipe. (They did not in ANY WAY complain about EA. Something you alluded to and you purposefully addressed even though it was completely irrelevant to the post. In fact it was used as a defensive measure against people like you) About the fact that they now have 3 weeks, or more, to waste in game, or find other stuff to do. I think you'll find the OP said this might kill the game. I don't agree with PvP as such, but I deffo agree with PvE. You still don't seem to grasp the idea. Grapeshot wants to keep its (now limited) player base. Grapeshot tells the world wipe incoming. PvP players don't care. They play for the salt and the fight. PvE…. well, whats the point in playing for the next 3 weeks? Tell me Boomer? Please tell me? answer my previous questions. What are you going to do until the wipe?

I find it best to not make any form of analogy. I don't find the need to make any connection between an early access game, or any game for that matter, and real life. I play to relax and get away from real life for a few hours. You know. Like watching a film? But that's your choice I guess.

The OP never mentioned any future wipes? And im sure an intelligent human being like you can read between the lines with Crythos post. Stop trying to be clever. If you cant read and comprehend ( god forbid you ever read a book) you will understand Crythos, at worst, was making a point but not making it fully to your grammatical standards. Maybe he rushed it? Maybe English isn't his first Language? BUT HE CLEARLY STATES THE FOLLOWING "If they wiped today I could just get on trying to re-build but three weeks away wtf why should I bother to log in."

You are not helping anyone here. You twist what is said. You make meaningless analogies, and then wont stand by them. Take your salt to the PvP forums. These guys have a massive point.

I wont lower myself to answer you again. 

PS any other guys out there want to quote any Latin phrases in their arguments, Boomer can recommend Wikipedia. It'll make you feel kinda big and educated. And fucking stuff (……. that's not latin by the way.... I just made that up)

READ THE FORUM POST TOPIC IF YOU ARE UNSURE 

3 minutes ago, AntonyVW said:

Actually they did say it was possible that there will be future wipes. It was not ruled out.

Once again, read the context. Hes not moaning about wipe. Hes moaning about the time scale warning. He even states : "If they wiped it today I could just get on" etc. Hes basically saying " okay. wipe incoming. wait 4 weeks???!!!"

Id take an overnight wipe right now, as Crythos would. 

2 hours ago, boomervoncannon said:

Saying “don’t give me any early Access bs” when that is entirely the appropriate response to your complaint about time invested going down the tubes is the guy on the gulf coast not wanting you to point out that he’s already rebuilt his Oceanside home twice in the last 20 years after it got leveled by hurricanes before. He wants to be able to bitch without having his unrealistic expectations pointed out to him and that’s what you’re doing here.

The game was marketed as Early Access. For 2 years. It was made abundantly clear that development is ongoing. Ongoing development means wipes are a distinct possibility. Thus it is on you not to invest in the game at present if you are unwilling to lose progress. Should there perhaps be clearer standards about what EA is and isn’t and what paying customers have a right to expect? I have argued repeatedly that there should be, but no such standards currently exist. Your expectations clearly were not in line with what they should have been, given what does exist.

Going forward there are no guarantees they won’t wipe again in the future and you should plan accordingly. If you mistrust a company based on your own misplaced expectations there is little anyone can do to mitigate that, but you are indeed a poster child of sorts for why I continue to argue that EA standards are needed and should be set by Steam.

I don't think hes complaining about the wipe as such.... hes complaining about a months notice. He has a point.... wtf will anyone want to log on ( apart from me but I will sail that Brig dammit. Sailed it now. Playing something else tomorrow) and do stuff when they know that in a few WEEKS times, all their effort will be gone? NA PvE currently dead, approx. 24 hours after announcement. Let me explain for you: I guess the OP and others, would have preferred a wipe warning less than 48 hours before it happened. As I would. Not much point playing now until the end of march. Approx 3 weeks of play until wipe. Tell me Boomer.... what will you do? Tame stuff? Build a couple of Gals? To know it will be wiped 3/4 WEEKS time? Why bother? Hes looking at the time period he either has to a) play and achieve and lose everything or b) find something else to do. Seems to me hes a player that likes the game. A commodity that Grapeshot is rapidly running out of

Yes you are right. It is EA. Hes not complaining about EA. Learn to read and understand before you jump in the whole fanboy thing.

As for the guy on the Gulf Coast? was that you? did you buy a property in Hurricane territory? Stupid comparison so don't use it. You buy a game in EA knowing that your kids lives don't depend on it. Buying a house is no joke. Get outta your moms basement and find out

J9 Freeport west island all over the place

Don't see anything negative in patch notes. Like the animal changes. Good to have the opportunity for a thatch gatherer. Like the old age debuff removal - foy not worth attempting in a group of 4. weapon reloads lowered. all good

 good luck getting a claim let alone 4

1 minute ago, Reuben said:

Its a PVP server, what do you expect, plus sinking ships is good to deter people away from your island.

 he expects pvp not griefing. You think PvP is offline raiding? or some dick taking all his gear off and ruining everything with nothing to lose himself cos hes got no penalties for being smashed up before respawning and doing it all again in his underpants?? you think that's PvP? PvP needs a price to be paid for everything. Be brave, stand up, and get into some real fights! Don't be an ass and just ruin stuff cos you can. That aint PvP. 

Just to add to those people who always cite mmo = not single player : don't talk crap. Some of my happiest gaming moments ( not all) have been solo playing while guild mates are offline. EQ2, WoW, Lotro. All mmo's that in no way required you to group if you didn't want to. Original Planetside was heavily team based but had excellent opportunities for solo play.). I can safely say that the group of people that I've been hanging with for 15 years will agree

So to agree with an earlier post mmo is for lots of people. But not primarily group play. So if you're sick of solos complaining, just remember these guys want to do it on their own. Easy to be critical when you gave up and joined a big group. Rant over

As for the griefing I don't know. A system where honour or dishonour could be used I guess. So if you take place in a large scale raid and take lives and ships, you get some sort of social standing, be you pirate or loyalist. Would need factional suppliers with goodies to provide the motivation. But you offline raid and destroy stuff in your underpants you earn scumbag points. The more you do it,  the less your factions will want to deal with you until eventually no one will touch you, not even Freeports. Could have guards at Freeports to drive these scumbags off. So their only option for spawning safely would be lawless areas. Could even possibly have redemption quest lines so if you were an asshole, you could approach a Freeport with stuff to try and bring your factional standings back up to basic Freeport status. Like a new start. But the quest should not be easy. Should be a pain in the balls

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