Redarcus

30 minutes ago, The D Legacy said:

its not reasonable not acceptable to ship a unfinished, badly developer, buggy, lacking of content game selling it as if there was nothing wrong with it, just as is not reasonable to and is actually punishable by law to sell something on the internet advertising it as X and then deliverying Y because you never had X to begin with but you need to eat, selling something by providing missleading information is called fraud.

as you can see there is never a mention of the game being in early access, they mention a road map but never the development stage of the game, we cannot even call this an alpha, 7 days to die is in Alpha stage and it has 500% more technical polish than atlas, satisfactory is in beta and it has 1000% more technical polish, the only reason videogame companies are pulling this type of cash grabs with no legal repercution is because is more expensive to file a lawsuit than to lose 20 bucks.

i think you are completly right, they are maybe of the old school game industry to afraid of customers rights so they called it now early acces and the can do what they wanted almost. If they do not care enough/repect there custmers/client and gamers. At the end they  will shoot in there own foot. Maybe i am completley wrong and they run the company an a very smart smooth way?

On 9/30/2019 at 6:34 PM, Chucksteak said:

@Redarcus @boomervoncannon

Before we accuse them of money grabbing, let's please do acknowledge that there are no cash shops or loot boxes. Let's also keep in mind what we paid for the game, vs what it would sell for when it's finished (over a year away still). I challenge you to find a much better deal in video gaming.

I would also differ to GS's own statement about thier financial position when it was released to EA. They stated that they had the cash to finish the game for a winter 2021 launch without the EA revenue. This may be a lie, but then that's me speculating. I will give them the benefit of doubt and trust thier statement.

This does bring us back to Xbox launch. Why? Why wipe and launch now? It truly doesn't make sense to me until more was done.

as mentioned i nother post maybe i am to dino/ old schoold. You sell games almost finished. You make revenu to be in a big master Corperate company and you can shell shares to get cash money to finish a game. The old times, the could make games they believed in the game. Developed it compleet and then sold it. There was no sign that they need in there times halfway extra revenue or cash to finish the game. It makes to me sence of bad planning. Bad revenue forcast and bad cash management? Maybe i do not understand the wold that fine for me. Maybe i am better to be silence then say my opnion lol

On 9/30/2019 at 1:38 PM, zottel said:

Ubisoft has like 20 DlCs for all their games And atleast Grapeshot calls atlas early Access while ubisoft fully releases tames that have so many Bugs that its more alpha State than anything Else.

maybe i bought the wrong games or on the wrong time. Yeah Anno1800 had his flaws overall i liked it and did not encouter huge problems. I did do testing Ghost recon and did not enouter much problem. Even had it with Heroes and migh Magic 7?? 6?  maybe i was to pickey at games i did not encouter to much problem. yeah DRM uplay launcher, hate love relation. The company on there way looks like  for my feeling give a bid more respect to there players?

2 minutes ago, The D Legacy said:

i dont think lootboxes has anything to do with the standar developing procedures, one is greed and the other one is simply unprofesionalism, as a company you can have both, none or one of those thraits, they are not excludent from eachother, not having one or both doesnt insta make you a good guy, what OP is referring to when mentioning ubisoft is the standar procedure of not releasing updates near the weekend, not that theose greedy bastards care a bout us.

The first update could be a mistake in august. But the repeated it. I thinke bad reviews came launch in Dec2018/ Jan2019. Game concept of early acces and earning morning is new concept. I think maybe i am dreaming about old school big game company who have big pockets to make a game and do not need early acces money and revenue and even get xbox revenu onboard.  I still think if you get a to huge player base payed for early acces and get disappointed it is not good for your brand. Every company have there own way of marketing and caring. I think this companye feels take less care of the supported community. You can not make everybody happy. More respect for your early acces beta testtester could be fine. I also play Emperion and that is more about listing to the community who supports the game. More respect. Yes you can argue do not play atlas , probably you are right. I see the potential but it would be fine to get some more respect they also give more respect to Server owner/ server admins. Or they are really out of money and have no community manager or people do the corporate talking/getting Brand management/does soem soccial media investment other then putting all the social media button on the website but do not care lol. 

15 hours ago, boomervoncannon said:

No offense but please tell me you did not specifically mention Ubisoft as a company you prefer and then later imply they care more about their customers and are less greedy than GC. That’s really just not a credible assertion about any company that uses lootboxes in their games considering loot boxes are considered one of the main ways to increase monetization in gaming, allowing the companies using them to extract more money from their players without adding value to their experience. 

Lootboxes have been outright banned in Belgium and the Netherlands because of the way they amount to encouraging addictive gambling behavior and other governments are looking closely at regulatory/legistlative action in this direction. 

Bottom line, asserting that any company which uses them is less greedy and/or cares more about their customers than a company which does not is just not a supportable assertion in my book.

Maybe i have no issuee with lootboxes and ofcourse i live in the netherlands and they did say lootboxes are illigal so they are going out game. Maybe i played the wrong game. I did not see lootboxes is Openbeta of Ghost recon or in Redleased anno1800. Yeah ubisoft games too are not always polished.  I do think the cloase beta and technical testing and then release. Feels less greedy. Maybe it is only my wrong opinion. Paradox yeah have a lot of dlc , you do not need always to buy all at the same time. I only buy dlc of paradox on sale. if you patience at least it save 50 procent of your money. Company still make reveanue and devolp games.  Overal they are never pushing a game update before the weekend. I had no problem with Xbox release if they did do beter beta testing and not screw  almost  all the servers of the pc player base.

2 hours ago, boomervoncannon said:

Each game world is a grid of 225 servers all interconnected. Two extra would be an additional 450 servers on top of the 900 the existing 4 grids represent. That’s a very significant cost and available information suggests the Xbox launch may be happening because funds for development costs are running low. 

Even if funding were not an issue, existing player populations dictate that if possible new players are added to existing grids rather than create even more grids just to create options. I agree completely that more testing should have been done. The Xbox launch feels rushed and doesn’t feel like the game will have a great chance to succeed in its current form.

Yeah maybe i am to old school i have no problems with early access. when was the time you fund a game out of deep company pockets and then make money with a finished game. You you use early access as beta testing and not to fund a game. Maybe i am to old school and think game company used to get money to shell stock shares and later get money for selling games.

Dear Devs,

Admins pls try to explain me why push an update on Start of the weekend?  Why not as other big company Uplay/Ubisoft Paradox and others. They often push update atleast the lastest day midweek. So they have time to hotfix thing so player could have fun playing the games in the weekend? Prably you prefere people run a way and make room for Xbox players,

Also like for example Paradox use the beta tab option of steamclient game option to rollback gameversions. So people have choice if patch break the game they stail l can play te revert and go to the last good playble verion.

Maybe i am used to game devs/companies they do more care about there customers base and are less greedy to get a piece of The Crossplatform / console playerbase piece of cake and there pocketmoney?

They screwed up a lot of MP server / and i  doubt there was lots of custermerservice/ technical support standby for the server owners? So why push update mandatory start of the weekend?

Yours sincleery

3 hours ago, Grongash said:

They didnt fix any of the actual issues. They just decided to farm some console players on the way down.

But hey... there are cats now. Its a dream come true for any pirate. We all know they were suckers for that.

i saw some cats, friend tried test , server setup. That was fun if it is pirates animals i do not now. 

I really the compnay is greedy to need to farm also some Xboxplayers pockets. Was there a big request for it from the PC player base they missed there Xbox friends? I doubt it.  So it are money greeday grabbing devs?

I think they should have made 2 extra servers for crossplay. That doing on the real XBox release date. So also people have a choice to want to get the playerbase of crossplay. Now we do not have a choice and i think they messed up a huge load of servers/ crossplay server setup and in back end regular network conncitons for PC players is lots more unstable as before. Why not did some more beta testing. Or make use of beta tab and let player role back to there last good working game version? Which was may more stable.

I really think if they mention in the Roadmap we must be on sea spending more time. They need to add more diffrent ships and diffrent feeling of handling them.

Of course as a real Dutcheman i really recommenond to add The fluyt. Because. Schonner is transporting to less, soon if you have gems or metal it sinks lol. Galleon mix of that. Nice world famoust most impact sail ship golden ages