Tomsey

2 hours ago, TacticalNatty said:

This was my thought. I believe it has merit and would solve a good deal of the issues while maintaining the integrity of the game.

 

Yes, a resource cost to hold flags active could work, anything to make it harder for a company to keep alot of land carefree is good imo.

6 minutes ago, Coggage said:

Well, for a start he's putting up with you, and people like you, which IS a consequence!  Far more of a consequence than I'd bother putting up with.  Don't forget YOU settled on HIS turf, which nobody made you do and you did so KNOWING in advance there would be taxes, and you expect him to let you freeload for nothing?     If there were no taxes making it worth his while, why would he take a risk allowing people to settle there in the first place?  Anyone could just arrive and pillar-spam the shit out of the place and just walk off laughing.  Even if he changes the permissions to Company only, to get rid of a griefer, he has a timer before he can demolish someone's structures, and I saw someone today complaining that even though the timer had elapsed he was not getting the option to demolish the offender's structures.

The other reason is that, like it or not, as far as the game mechanics are concerned you are a guest on someone else's territory and you pay for the privilege accordingly.  Nobody is going to let you do it for free.  Live with it or grow a pair and move on.  You were happy enough to settle on a Tax for Land basis in the first place, so quit your whining.

Do you think Im living on someones land? I own my own land with a flag, where I have a house and work for everything I got. Im not freeloading on someone else territory. However, I have to travel around on my Island to get resources.

The whole idea of mass land claims and taxes only work for PVP where there is a consequence to hold land and you need to fight for it. In PVE you holding alot of land and taxing it, you face no fears from other players aka there is only gains and no loss.

From my point of view = you do not deserve any of the resources on an island more than anybody else, you being able to hold several flags with pve protection and taxing other people is a flawed design and should be changed.

13 minutes ago, Coggage said:

No, your point is simplistic. There's nothing to miss. We get your point, but that doesn't mean we don't think it is pretty stupid. You chose to settle where you did, man up and live with it. I don't see why you aren't considering moving to Lawless, because you aren't Claiming anyway, so you have nothing to lose on that score. Quit whimpering and go Lawless or go and contest a Claim if you don't want to pay taxes... Or sit there and keep complaining. Your choice.

Can you explain to me why you think companies should be allowed to tax areas and not face any consequenses for doing so?

Im actually interested in seeing your point of view, since you completely disagree with what I said, maybe Im missing something in the bigger picture, thank you.

2 hours ago, radosc said:

Change your location if you don't want to pay 30%. We have 3 major land owners on our island. It was immensely profitable at the begging because of the influx of people from freeport. Whole island had 30% tax rate and there was no incentive to lower it. With the neutral claims however companies recognized that it is better to have tenants and lower taxes rather than have high tax and no income. At first all the taxes dropped to 25% and now some areas have 10% tax and max is 25%. So it's actually getting better. 

Change my location? To where? You want me to move to a lawless island where you cant claim, to avoid tax? Because there is no islands that are tax free, companies claim big areas and tax them with no consequenses.

I see that you missed the point of this thread, its the title, there needs to be a cost to be allowed to claim big areas and tax them.

1 hour ago, Coggage said:

You're hilarious. You play on PvE and thus YOU are safe and so is your stuff. You don't want HIM to be the same though because that irks you. Nobody twisted your arm and forced you to build there.

Yeah, my stuff is safe and the companies around me who own all the land around me are safe to tax me. I understand that you support greed, but if you want greed, there should be something that others can do to fight against your greed.

35 minutes ago, HonestJohn said:

You don't make sense, you play on PVE but you want to be able to steal someone's claim?   That's the number one problem with official PVE and why so many leave it for unofficials.  IN a PVE game nobody is supposed to be able to steal from you, it is supposed to be you versus the environment/NPC/game mechanics.  Nothing another player does is supposed to be able to have a negative impact on your game.  That would be PVP, so maybe you are in the wrong game mode.

I dont make sense? Maybe Im just incapable of making my point come across, since seeing all the replies to this thread blows my mind.

Yes, your idea sounds great, limited amount of land, check. Nobody can take the land from you, great, take all the land and nobody else can have any. Is that what you mean is that nice PVE feeling you want?

I made this topic specifically because im playing PVE and have to deal with PVP mechanics like taxes and have no way to fight it.

Companies claim big areas of land, they put tax on it. There is no consequences to this behaviour. Their flags are pve protected and they can just sit in their base and take 30% of what I and everyone else gather in the area.

Tax needs to be removed, which is my initial idea. But I know this wont happen since people love having tax on areas. So I suggest there needs to be a consequence to putting tax on areas.

My example would be that if you want to put tax your land, you shouldnt be allowed to have PVE claim protection on it. Atleast then the companies with alot of land would need to put in work to keep their land and put in an effort to tax people.

If they wanna sit with all their land and dont want people to claim it, they can remove the taxes in the area.

If you have any other suggestion on how to deal with this topic please share.

EDIT: I change this post to make it more streamlined and simpler to understand. Thank you

7 hours ago, Ankhwearer said:

Crows eat earthworms, which you get as a rare spawn from digging with the shovel, but missing the mini game (on purpose). I suspect you already know you get grass and uncommonly potatoes by digging. But this is how you get earthworms too.

Earthworms can be found by digging into soil(same places you can get water) if you use middle mouse button, you will dig without attempting to get water with a shovel. This will get you potatoes, straw, or earthworms usually.

https://atlas.gamepedia.com/Earthworms

12 hours ago, neferseki said:

You don't actually lose any resources when gathering in a taxable area, its generates new resources for the players who own the territory and thats it.

I've tested and get the exact same resources in territories with 30% tax.

On 1/1/2019 at 4:56 AM, Mjrnn Evershade said:

Bank is 0-30% and has no impact on players who gather at all from what I've seen. People in the area I have taxed at 30% to test have still been getting the normal range of 160-200+ wood (with the 2.5x event)

Simple test outside my house wood gathered no tax per tree: 119,109,101,108,113,103.

I walked across my flag into the neighbours 30% tax get this many wood per tree: 74,80,70,84.

Maybe you guys tested it before it was working correctly? But right now on live, this is how it works. 30% tax = 30% of the items someone gather goes to you.