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10 minutes ago, Shintai said:

The problem for Grapeshot/Wildcard is that Atlas is centered on a lot fewer servers. In ARK they could get away over years by dominating a server here and there, but Atlas the cheating is so blatant and obvious and hitting so many people simply leave those. But what happened in ARK after over 3 years of duping? 0 bans, no removal.

Bans just increase profit with repeat buyers.

Instead of swinging a manual human/admin driven ban hammer.

The devs need to eliminate the ability to cheat through automatic game mechanics/systems. But these devs are novices, so this is probably not in their wheelhouse. As evidence by Ark, its definitively not in their wheelhouse, but maybe they hired some new devs.

17 minutes ago, Vaenix said:

None of the store page indicates that.

 

It indicates this is an online MMO and that it is in Early Access so things will change and the store page will probably also be finished out more once the game is actually done(in 2 Years).  It is entirely possible that they will add a Single Player game mode, but that has not been promised and can be removed at any point in the process should they decide it's not worth the time.

Read further down the page.

  "Powerful Mod and Server Functionalities" This should include LAN servers.

"The possibilities are endless!" This should include LAN server support.

31 minutes ago, Caldrin said:

This is an MMO that is designed to be played with other people.. kind of like world of Warcraft.. you don't get people asking for a single player version of world of Warcraft ...

Your MMO argument dosen't hold up since private servers are allowed.

1. Rent a server to play single player (costs money)

2. Host a private server through the internet (dosen't work for all ISPs)

So single player is allowed for those that have cash to burn or have the ability to run an internet server.

For me, I require LAN support.

16 minutes ago, sand man said:

That might save this game.

Kinda doubtful. They have turned so many people off.

I might just stick with Ark. Maybe wait for release and see how Atlas turns out. Or if Ark 2 is going to exist.

If you support click the up triangle. I don't get the organisation of this thread.

12 minutes ago, Caldrin said:

This is an MMO that is designed to be played with other people.. kind of like world of Warcraft.. you don't get people asking for a single player version of world of Warcraft ...

I am sure the Devs did not want to waste anytime working on stuff to do with single player when the game is not designed for it at all.

I am actually surprised they even allowed small private servers.. 

The store page clearly advertises a customizable game. Devkit and mod support.  This means that single player would be completely driven by the community and not the devs, if they would simply support LAN.

But if they dont want revenue from the single player demographic, that's fine it's their loss. Ark support all types of gamers and is way more popular than Atlas.

I don't understand why LAN was excluded, Ark supports LAN servers.

Yeah. This is needed so so badly. But i guess the devs really like losing players.

Tons of players will not buy without this ability.

And since its not available, rage quitters will just quit, instead of tinkering around in solo/SP world.

32 minutes ago, Jozzie McTowel said:

without an official reply,

I don't think you will get an official response. These devs are known for being terrible at communication. Their best platform is twitter, which isn't real communication with its low character limits.

4 hours ago, Talono said:

Devs dont care. They never did.

This right here is the truth.

If the devs did care, they would have gotten rid of the possibility for cheating in the game mechanics, instead of just copy and paste from Ark.

31 minutes ago, Koto Wolfir said:

I've decided to do an experiment and also learn from it. Using ZeroTier and Digital Ocean. I cannot forward my ports, so I will set up a VPS in the cloud that has my "public" IP. I will set up ZeroTier so that it has a good connection with the game server host. This way, I can port forward just like I would if it was a local network, my users will not have to interact with or do anything with their systems (installing vpn clients etc.) I have faith in this turning out successful.

I guess that VPN thing is a monthly fee. Good luck. Networking is definitely not my skillset.

Its unlikely that this cycle will end.

1 minute ago, DannyUK said:

nothing we can do about that.

Stop playing and contributing to population. Bad reviews. Seems to be the trend.

3 hours ago, wildbill said:

The taxation system should be there to limit how much other players harvest on land you are actively using. Land that you need for your resources and buildings.

They need to add a land designation system to land claim. Like nature preserve and town, or more.

18 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

This is a MMO. 

This label really means nothing. Ark was dev tagged as a MMO.

Just now, Rand McNally said:

so you must be new to videogames?
an 'alpha' is a game that's still under production, and is not a finished title. you could have paid more attention before you bought the game. just saying.

It's not day 0 anymore. Lots of patches, but no fixes for the broken non-PvE game systems. The Devs are just making it worse, as evident by the falling population.

PvE broken

PvE broken.

And predictably the exact same issues with Ark. Land hoarding and duping/cheating.

1 minute ago, Kveldulf said:

PvE though, it simply means the rejects who can't hack it in PvP come and hold dominion over players who were looking for the positive interactions of PvE.

That's the problem.

Exactly. Dominion. nice world choice.

If it's like Ark, the ticket system takes weeks to months. But since Atlas population is so low, maybe the inefficient ticket system will not take that long. Maybe days to weeks.

24 minutes ago, Notorious said:

When a player has option to rent to another player , then has the right to steal your stuff isn't PVE, not talking about player interaction. The renter has  no power to remove his/her belongings and it's all based on a PVP interaction. So above how does this fall under PVE, please explain to me.

It's not PvE. It's bad game design. Short sighted devs. 

9 minutes ago, Vaenix said:

Now we have found something we can agree on, there needs to be a robust system in place to make this better yes.  It's the entire reason I haven't touched the neutral system just yet way too much gray area.

Arguing with people over semantics is never going to go anywhere.

Well the people with no land have no rights and are at the mercy of the land owner. Slaves, peasants, serfs, proletariat, whatever you want to call them. The important thing is NO RIGHTS. 

So a good idea for a game system, but terrible in practice and implementation. There needs to be more robust systems in place to protect everyone, give everyone rights.

17 minutes ago, Vaenix said:

I'd go look up what slavery is before you go throwing that around and disrespecting people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

It's not the best system but to try to liken it to slavery is at best hyperbole.

 

The overseers set taxation rates and have 100% control to kick less than productive tenants out. Tenants have 0 rights. Not that far away from slavery.

If you don't own the game, it's not worth it for solo or small group gameplay. Not of official servers. Maybe on unofficial servers.

It's like they took Ark and then made every game system worse, but added pirates.

Atlas same UI but worse color scheme.

Ark has pillaring for land hoarding, Atlas has unbalanced land claim and slavery in the form of taxes.

The boss, we all know where that's copy and pasted from.

With how quickly the population dropped, it's doubtful. 1 Atlas server is like 225 Ark servers (hardware).