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Here’s a creative idea to play with, how about a Barracks style structure that reduces the food cost for NPCs. Any thoughts?? The Silo is great for our NPCs. We can stash a bunch of gold in there and we won’t have to worry about it for 2 weeks. However, our berries will decompose and run out in a few days. Not bad but it would be cool to have food last longer.
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ALL INFORMATION BELOW IS SPEAKING OF NPCS FROM A LEVEL 1.6 PIRATE CAMP AND A LOW QUALITY JOURNEYMAN MAP. TL;DR, The Lowest Level Stuff. Level 1.6 Pirate Camp As of 26/10/2020, npc pirates mounted on weapons are immune to all hand-weapon damage I can find. Pirate structures can't be damaged by anything inexpensive, and can't be damaged by anything in your hand (with the possible exception of grenades, which I haven't had the time to try). You can't even use picks or axes to break down walls. Frankly, this is bad enough in my opinion. You can be killed in seconds by basically any pirate, even when wearing good gear, if you're not confident with the combat in Ark sorry Atlas. However, the devs seemed to think that this was not bad enough, because it keeps going. Pirate camps are equidistant from each other on most islands, meaning that it's nearly impossible to settle anywhere that you will ever be safe if you go a hundred metres off to the left. Oh, and did I mention that level 1.x pirate bases can spawn pirates (just in my experience) up to level 78? (that's not the highest level I've seen btw, just the highest one I remember for certain) This all means that a troupe of people having just left a freeport, with no real possibility of having equipment blueprints or equipment past common level will land on a new island, be under constant threat, and be basically incapable of dealing with even the lowest level threat without essentially cheating. I did find one way that works. It's to go up in a mountain, with a rifle, a lot of ammunition, and, at ultra long range, start shooting the pirates. 5 shots per pirate is about reasonable, and they all run around when you shoot one, so you're going to be here for a long time. I assume that's the griefing you (devs) were worried about though. Oddly, that's the path we've been forced to go down. (I will address tames later) Journeyman Quality Soldiers of the Damned Likewise, as of 26/10/2020, Soldiers of the Damned do take damage from ranged weaponry, which is a far cry better than them being immune as they were some time ago. However, as of now, from a journeyman quality treasure map, they take so little damage and do so much damage that a man in plate armour is killed in a few hits, while we can shoot them dozens of times without any results whatsoever. In melee, because there are so many of them, that are not in any way tagged to the number of people in the area of the treasure map (at least so far as I can tell), and they are not significantly slower (if at all) than you are, a small group of people get overwhelmed, and die. Oh and if they don't swing at you for x amount of time they decide you must be griefing and they despawn, just in time to respawn when you try to get your equipment back from your body. Tames Okay. We got here. Yes!!!!! We can at any level defeat pirate camps, and soldiers of the damned. All we have to do, is use tames *happy noises*. And you know, I think that's totally fine. What isn't fine, is the fact that tames are not the only things in the game. In fact, there are many other forms of weaponry that have been implemented into the game, and, supposedly, these other forms are useful. One very important piece of game design that you (devs) seem to never have been taught is that nothing should be added into a game for the players to use that doesn't explicitly have a use. Essentially what I'm saying is this: I get you want people to use tames. Great! They will. Let us use the rest of the stuff you put into the game too. As of right now, it's incredibly difficult to use what you are given at the beginning of the game, to beat what you need to beat to get to the next stage of the game. And to the people who would say "well you said it yourself, it's possible, game design done"... I... just... go away. Possible is not the same as fun. If you give me a gun, I should be able to shoot things with it. If you don't want me to be able to, fine. Delete all the guns. They're clearly not meant to be part of the game. Why You (Devs) Did This I have read up on this as much as I can, so please correct me if I'm wrong about any of these things. In terms of Tames, I'm not going to say that this game is a copy paste of a game where tames were inherently more important, but... I'm also not going to lie. Pirate Bases were being effectively cheesed, and so were Soldiers of the Damned, and the way that both of these were being done was by staying at far away range with either a person or a ship (or sending in one person to kite) and then using time, or ships, to destroy all hints of resistance with no difficulty at all. Frankly, I understand why you thought that a fix needed to happen, and I agree. However, allow me to give a potential set of fixes. What Should Be done (give or take) I'm not trying to write your game for you. Please take these suggestions as genuine suggestions from someone who wants to love your game, but can't, and not as some stuck up prick trying to tell you what to do. Feel free to change numbers, dismiss ideas, etc., but please understand that these are suggestions that I have passed by many people, and that we all think would make the game better. 1. Here's the kicker. Outside of npc aggro or "chase" range or capabilities, you can't damage npcs. At all. I'm gonna try to clarify. NPCs in Atlas have a range where, if you shoot one of them, they will come after you, and at some point, after running far enough, they will return to base. It's possible I've misread this, and it's only based on time, in which case add it. Add a maximum radius around the npcs. Make it the same size as the range of the longest ranged npc, possibly excluding mounted weapons. So: If the longest ranged npc is an Archer of the Damned, then you can't hurt the Soldiers of the damned, unless the Archer can hit you. No matter what. They might not aggro until you get the first shot in, but once you do, they can hit you, if you can hit them. This is simplified even further because, done right, you can't just have 1 person kiting with no consequences to anyone else. If you can hurt the soldier, the soldier can at least try to come over to you and hit you. Make this obvious by having the reticle simply not register them as an enemy until you're in range. What does this fix? If worried about people hitting things from a ship, totally fair. Can the npc chase/shoot far enough to get onto a ship? If not, then people on a ship can't hurt npcs. Worried about people hiding in a mountain to shoot the pirate camp? Totally fair. Can the npc shoot high enough to hit the mountain? If not... see where I'm going? Perhaps artillery range has to be equalised, meaning that artillery can damage the base as long as the base can damage it (at least conceivably), and the range should probably stay the same even if all ranged units are picked off, but this should be a relatively simple fix that makes griefing and cheesing impossible, as well as making it very possible to play however you want. 2. Everything needs to be damaged by everything (Without violating the first rule). An enemy with armour can have resistance to arrows and bullets, but it should never be more than 50%. Frankly, 50% is, in this game, barely reasonable for a bow, and completely unreasonable for a gun. 3. Low level Pirate Bases have Low Level Pirates. Make a reasonable progression. If you want one boss pirate, then maybe make that one pirate level... I don't know, 10 levels above average? Every other pirate should be an equivalent level to the average level of random animals wandering around (10 or so), and then scaled for level of the pirate base. This would mean a level 1.6 pirate base would have most pirates of level 16 (Base level 10 * 1.6), a few above, and a few below. And not above as in level 78, above as in level 18, below as in level 14. The highest level pirate bases may need a buff after this, and that's okay. Maybe instead of it being a flat 10 * Level + ((level/10)*10). This would mean that a level 1.0 base would have level 10 pirates, a level 2 would have level 40 pirates, level 3 would have 60 etc. etc. I really don't care all that much how the scaling is done, I just care that it is done, and that the low level bases actually have consistently low levelled pirates. 4. Mounted Pirates have damage reduction from ranged weapons. Maybe 50%, maybe even more. Frankly, npcs on mounted weapons are the only reason I can ever see a damage reduction above 50%, so go wild. 80% damage reduction if you think there's any reason for it. I feel that fix #1 would fix most griefing with mounted weapons anyways though. 5. Npc Structures (namely pirate camps) should have high, high damage resistance, and maybe even immunity, to weapons like the bow, sword, and guns. They should have damage resistance (only resistance) to tools, and explosives. 6. Normalize Soldier of the Damned Spawn Numbers and Levels. Again, some kind of arithmetic with the levelling of SotD would be great. However, the biggest issue that is the easiest to fix is the number that spawn. Right now, as far as I can tell, it's a fixed number, or at least it's quite high. So, make it 1+ party number on common maps, 2+ on journeyman, etc. etc, along with the basic levelling that is being done. Make this number tagged to the same damage radius as in #1, meaning that if 1 player character is inside the radius of a common map, we get 2 soldiers. If another player gets into this radius, which they have to do in order to hurt the soldier, another soldier spawns, and does not despawn until all players exit the radius. And, because of how Soldiers of the Damned work right now, when all players exit the radius, all soldiers retreat into the ground. Obviously, there would need to be a counter to avoid having 1 player in the radius, 2 soldiers, 1 killed, another player joins, and two pop up, as that would be unfair (at least unless there was some kind of timer), and the number should perhaps not reset right away, but I'm sure that can be figured out by people smarter than me. 7. Soldiers of the Damned should not be able to respawn, or regain health if there is active combat going on. Just... this is violently frustrating when you've whittled down the numbers through skill and then suddenly, poof, everyone has full health and the four you killed are right back up shooting you in the back. Afterword I may edit this if I remember other things that should be added, or to clarify things that are unclear. However, this is a genuine plea from a casual player who wants to introduce people to your game, and wants to play your game, but simply doesn't feel comfortable doing so because of how badly balanced it is. I understand that these changes would be a major change to the balance. However, lets face it. The high level players looking for a challenge are not going to journeyman treasure maps, or level 1.6 pirate bases. They're going to the Hydra, the Kraken. They're going to level 10 pirate bases (assuming those exist and I haven't blanked). The higher level balance of this game might be amazing. It really might! The issue is I don't know, because I've never been able to muster the caring, or capability, to get to those higher levels. Frankly, I'd love feedback. If you, Devs, feel that some of these requests are unreasonable, please tell me why. Maybe I can offer another option. If you, other players, feel that you have something to add, please do. All I'm asking for is a some changes that would allow people just getting into the game, to get into the game. Without these changes, taking down one pirate camp, on the lowest level island we could find, with our basic equipment, would take (at rough calculation) over 6 minutes. And not 6 minutes of adventure, or fun fights, 6 minutes of potshotting from a mountain side, and waiting 10 seconds in between for the pirates to calm down so we can shoot them again (that's ignoring the mounted pirates). And without these changes, a party of three people, at level 25-30, are literally incapable of taking down a journeyman treasure map without use of the only mechanic that you've allowed to work on it (tames). This does not make for a welcoming environment for new players! It's viscerally frustrating. What makes it worse is that Atlas has so much potential. It's the Pirate game I've always wanted, and never got. But right now, it's still not here. I have gotten three people (and counting) into playing this game. And so far, we've stuck with it, because we like playing together. So if we need to randomly tame 10 boars in order to get our first treasure map, even though none of us wants to have boars, or wants to go into the taming tree, we do so, and make it fun because we're friends. We like playing the game, because we like playing games together. I guess what I'm saying is, I'd love to be able to play your game, not because I like who I'm playing it with, but because I like playing the game.
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Look. I understand why you did it. Griefing with ranged weapons certainly could be a problem. But no game should ever force players into doing one thing, when there are other options that the game offers. And that is exactly what has happened. NPCs on mounted weapons are immune to most, if not all ranged weapons. This means that Pirate Bases are essentially completely impossible at even relatively low levels. (not to mention the ridiculous strength of all pirates). I get the reasoning behind this; you can't just sit super far away and pike people from out of range. So make them resistant. Make it so that they take 1/2, or even 1/5 of the damage from firearms and bows. Don't make them immune. We should be able to use strategy to take down a high leveled base, instead of having to use tames. Soldiers of the Damned are immune to all ranged attacks at this point. (Sure, there may be one or two I've missed, but that's not the point). This is just stupid. The simple reason I see is that people were kiting the soldiers down to the beach, then blowing them up with swivels or something, and farming massive XP. Great! That's a problem. So, make it so that they can't go very far from their spawn point. O wait, you already did. They see you no matter where you are, and they chase you down. They can pop up through the ground, etc. etc. So why are they immune to ranged weapons? This IMO isn't even a question of they should be resisitant. This is just bollocks. They should not be immune, or even resistant, to any ranged weapon. It's silly, and it's stupid. Damage from melee is fine. Maybe even increase melee damage (they'r tanky enough). But no ranged damage? That's just not okay. It's not balanced, or fun, or interesting. It's just frustrating. TL:DR, I get you want people to use tames. Cool! People will. Let us use the rest of the stuff you put in the game too. Resistance to a weapon type is honestly fine. Immunity is just not. If you have to have some kind of immunity, make ground npcs immune to ship weapons. That's fine. But do not make them immune to an entire class of weaponry. I really like the concept of the game. But it's tarnished heavily when we can't use all of the things that are in the game.
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Starting out has never been better: NPC Ships Mega Update - Released Standing & Faction System Mega Update - Released Beginner Harvest Boost! Server Radioactive Atlas: Welcome to the world of Radioactive Atlas, a 5x5 map with 20 PvE and 5 PvP grids. While we have provided PvE with useful rules, there are no rules in PvP, except for general rules like the tone of voice! Here you can loot, pillage, plunder & fight as you please. NEW!!! You're just starting? All beginnings are hard, especially at low rates, so all players who haven't reached level 30 now have a permanent x2 Harvest Boost! Our world is a special one, not only do we have Foxes, Eagles & Hippos. Wild young animals are on the agenda! Realism in a new dimension! These are also tameable, but must be raised afterwards. The seas are different... in addition to the Ship of the Damned, two NPC factions, Pirates & Navy, are fighting each other. You decide for which side you stand or if you stay neutral! But there is also a lot to discover away from ships. In our polar regions the narwhal is up to mischief, the black dragon terrorizes the PowerStone islands and somewhere on the map this mysterious black fog has appeared... You want to know more? Then visit the trading post, perhaps you'll find answers in the tavern. Here you can also offer animals and items to other privateers through our trading system or purchase goods from them. Sometimes too many animals? Our unique stable system allows you to store animals in any freeport or trading post and pick them up at any stable. Later on you can also set up your own stable! Still not enough? Then try your hand at Magic & Alchemy. Both of these sophisticated systems are only available here! Use powerful spells, create powerful potions, new metals and much more! Build something beautiful. The modpack from Radioactive now offers well over 1000 decorative items, some of which bring new features to the game. There's also plenty of structure to choose from with over 36 stone and 18 wood variations! What are you waiting for? The world of Radioactive Atlas is waiting for you! Write history! https://www.radioactivegaming.eu
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One idea, that I can't take credit for, that a member in my company came up with was NPC Lumber yards, mines, and what not that would help companies get out of farming and more on the seas. I really like that idea. I believe that if you made it so they didn't farm like a lot, but say 10,000 a day and then people could farm more if they wanted. That would help people enjoy the game. You could make it cost a bit in gold and a number of NPCs that would give you the max number of resources. A lot of what burns people out is the farming because you gotta do so much of it. Just an idea that could really help people enjoy the seas, which is my favorite part of the game, and less the farming aspect. Thank you for listening
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So I know you have been adding questing and are planning to add player bounties soon but I think you could really expand on the PVE content which would give both PVP players and PVE players tons of repeatable content to do. You could easily expand on levels of difficulty, rewards, etc. So the intent to a degree as previously stated is to have Atlas be a big MMORPG similar in some ways to EVE. Most MMO’s have daily, weekly or other kinds of repeatable content to do on a regular basis. One type of content I would love to see changed is a kind of quest/bounty system that can be repeated. You could either add a menu we can access, maybe a bounty board which can be crafted or which is located on every settlement near a settlement town square or something. You can accept individual bounties, make a party and accept a group bounty or have a company level bounty. For a starting idea it would essentially be to have NPC fleets you can get a bounty to go hunt and sink for X reward. Some of the rewards can be tier based on difficulty as well as quantity etc. You could be given a bounty to chase down a merchant ship, take out Armada X of navy Y, You could also add NPC islands which are prebuilt bases which players can accept bounties to Siege. Clear the fort and get to the loot room. After a while the fort resets. As for the shipping bounties you could be given a location to go to similar to the maps. Once you approach the area you could either 1 spawn in the ships or 2 have a situation where you have to try and find them within the vicinity. The bounty can have a timer from when you start to have to get to the location. More time if it’s further away. Daily limits and reset timers after X time. After the ships spawn in or you find them a ship battle commences of varying ship types and numbers depending on what kind of bounty it is. This could be listed in the bounty. After succeeding to sink the NPC ships you could loot the shipwrecks. This also would leave open a PVP opportunity if someone happens upon you and sees you looting a freshly sunk bounty. You could instead of having SoTD allow the crew members who don’t die and sink to the bottom to be pressed into service aboard your ship, those who refuse can be executed or taken back to a Freeport and turned in for a bounty or other countless options. We are supposed to be pirates and we should be pirating merchants and navies. Sometimes we will work together and sometimes we will fight each other over what the other has. You could have Infamous NPC pirates to fight as well in addition to the bounties placed on other players. As far as what kind of loot you can really expand on it. Gold is an obvious choice. You could also have rare items that get used in additional content which gets added down the road. rare trading spices, metals, woods, blueprints, cosmetics, etc. You could also have items to collect and turn back in for different items in the Freeport. Ship customizations and all sorts of other similar things the options are endless. I really feel like this game is too heavily focused around PVP at the moment and that is going to cause the game to be very limited as to who it draws in. I think by adding non PVP content on both servers will drag in a lot more players and leave everyone with something to do. Even people who PVP enjoy PVE content. Powerstone islands are another big opportunity for content. You could add this as a bounty as well beyond just the quests to do each powerstone for the eventual kraken fight. I would also love to see the powerstone island tunnels expanded upon. You could turn the tunnels into a dungeon, find a key to open the door inside this could be the powerstone key itself or another key that gets you inside. You could fight your way through or have puzzles or really expand on this and make it a fun challenge to get to the powerstone beyond the current cobra/bat maze where you just keep trying until you get through. There could be unique rewards at the end of each one which makes unique items. There could even be multiple types which players could trade parts and pieces with each other to make said items. I really hope the Kraken is just the first kind of “end game” raid style content on the game. This again can be greatly expanded upon as the game goes on having different types of bosses to fight both at sea and on land. I am sure other people have other ideas for PVE content in the game and I think you guys really need to add more. I am really hoping that Atlas does not repeat the Ark style of PVP only content. In my opnion it’s a toxic environment for most players to enjoy. If you want this game to be an EVE style game it needs a lot more content to do beyond PVP and things everyone can enjoy. I also think the PVP server should have low risk low reward zones which players can be safe inside of and high risk high reward areas where PVP is the mainstay. I would personally like to see PVE only servers removed as there are just as many people on those servers whose main goal and purpose is to grief players who are just there to have fun just as much as there are people on PVP who live to do the same. Every MMO I have played to date has PVP on it in some way but PVE and PVP exist side by side to varying degrees. If anyone else has ideas and thoughts feel free to share and expand. Hopefully the devs can pick some of them up and run with them or maybe get inspired on similar content they already have in the works and expand upon it. TLDR; I want to see a lot more MMO style repeatable quests, bounties, dailies, weeklies, dungeon, raiding content with generic and unique rewards and to be expanded upon as development continues. Have any thoughts or ideas feel free to make a post.
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This post is to suggest improvements and expansion of NPC's within the game, to facilitate management of bases so that players can more freely focus specifically on what aspects of play they enjoy most. I would like to complain that NPC's do not function very well. While on a cannon, or a mounted position, they are pretty solid. Off of a position, they are crap. Ship Board Crew Assignment - We need to be able to assign crew members permanently to a ship. They should ignore all orders from anyone but the captain and officers. Deck Hands - Should be ready put out fires, and attempt to repair holes, and bail water. Marines - Should be standing ready to board enemy ships, and repel invaders. Crew Prioritization - A way to prioritize manning on the ship so certain activities could be done based on captains prerogative. Perhaps the captains priorities could be run off his computer to save server processing? Guard Guard Posts - A small building to position NPC's as an Guard/Policeman on land. Perhaps like underground water pipes they could patrol? Guard Provisions - The post should store gold and food like a larder or resource box. Capture or Kill Order - With a blackjack and manacles patrol members will try to capture not kill intruders. Which leads me to the next item... Melee 1 NPC in armor, with a pike missed 9 of 10 swings. A chicken & Sheep kept healing before NPC landed another blow. Also the NPC's would rush back for a lunge way to many times, always missing. (again maybe running the script off the Player's PC who is leading them would be best?) NPC Skills Instead of health, stamina, stomach, melee, etc. Could we possibly get Handyman, Sailor, Gunner, Marksman, Soldier and the like. The higher the level the more an NPC should cost. Harvesting Resources - This is a highly under developed area. Allow NPC's to harvest resources, when directed by a player and equipped with applicable tool. Make NPC's better than Animals when collecting resources. (Also Animals should be nerfed to hell on collection) Guild Workers - Allow specialty NPC's who are more talented to a specific task than a general NPC, they would cost more but get more done, also no training in other skills. Harvesting Building - allow the crafting of a specialty resource collection building, so that you can assign an NPC to harvest specific materials via assignment to that building. Transport System - Allow movement of goods from point A - B for automation of materials around a base. Porter- A NPC pick up goods from 1 place and deliver them to their post. The distance would be limited. Supplier - Delivers Goods to a single place. Such as a supply post, mess table, resource box, feed troughs, etc. Containers Allow for folders to limit delivery items in a box, like the bank no tax items. To simplify delivery of goods by suppliers or players. Allow a max # of resources in a resource box, based on specific item. Carry Tools Hands - Only allow 2 stacks of items up to their 70% of their weight capacity. Backpacks - Item for NPC to expand carrying capacity to 4 stacks (2 in hand and 2 in pack) and slight weight reduction (5% to 15%?). Wheel barrow - Allows for 1 stack to be delivered, but reduces weight of item by 85% and slows NPC by 20% Handcart - Allows for deliver of 8 stacks of items, weight of items are reduced by 25% and slows NPC by 10%