Martyn

If there's no claim flags, in pve, does this mean no flags at all? Not even for decoration? So I can't have my company flag hanging outside my house? What is being done to stop gateway spam to block off entire areas of islands? Just adding upkeep, will not stop people spamming gateway walls out. Yeh, there were no complete wipes in ark, except when they updated segments of the maps, obviously there were partial wipes then. But only of the specific areas. They also notified well in advance of when the wipe would happen so you could move your stuff where possible. The Ark/Atlas devs aren't as evil as people make out, it's just that alot of people expect rome to be built in a day and it will never be so. I think the necessity for a global wipe is a good idea, given the changes, but I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner, many of the big companies are built from exploitation of smaller groups using bugs and exploits. When I left Atlas a few months ago, there were companies systematically going around on pve servers wiping out entire islands using the weight exploits and taking the resources to their own companies assets. In pvp that's expected in pve, not so much, tho as I've seen with both Ark and Atlas, people are much worse in social games when they are on pve servers because they can more easily exploit the pve fact of the game. I don't play pvp because I'm against violence unless it's in self defence or in sport ie for the sake of having fun. Where both sides gain enjoyment, not one side only.

The argument made here is quite simple: We have nothing, we have the right to take yours. And we do. Then 3 days later.. those same thieves are the ones being taken from. And 3 days after that.. the same thing. It never ends. People have spent a week+ building up a base, building nice houses, building ships, now they've lost everything. And in 3 days time.. all you griefers.. you'll be loosing it as well. At the moment on eu pve we have people who steal land, demo everything, sail away, steal more land, demo everything, sail away. GS are doing nothing about it. In fact like the griefers, they seem to think this is the entire point of the game. So the real question is what are we the decent players going to do about it? We have 3 options. 1/ Move to a private server. 2/ Quit the game. 3/ Become the griefer.

You're assuming they have, which is just as unlikely.

I lost my first flag placed in game. You could be right that the newer flags/system somehow update the old.

The thing is, private servers are not the answer. Private servers are very expensive, often incl gathering and taming multipliers which basically make them too easy, they also tend to have mods incl that alot of people just don't like. People paid, therefore they surely have the right to play in a safe secure environment? Unless there's Private Servers that can cater for 40k people, then they are not and never will be the answer. As for 2 weeks into a 2 yr development. No actually, they're now 4 yrs and 2 weeks into an almost duplicate version of Ark, yet apparently have learned nothing from the anti social issues that also occurred there as well. Ark had to goto the lengths of full offline protection for all players to protect them. Where's the offline protection here? Doesn't exist.. many of the bug and exploits were found within minutes or hours of patching, but not by the developers.. who never test their systems or mechanics. It's always catchup.. and there's no excuse for it, at all.

We have a similar group in B7 on Eu Pve called Happy Toxic, always swearing in chat, running up to other players and swearing at them over voice coms, killing tames, sinking rafts, destroying shipyards with weight exploit bug, destroying weeks of other players work. And they claim they're "being pirates and playing the game" They are racists, bigots, anti social degenerates who care nothing for pve environment and just want to grief people however they can. They should be perma banned from pve servers.

That depends on your point of view really. Grapeshot is Wildcard. Ark was made by Wildcard, Ark caters for antisocial gameplay.. Therefore.. Atlas will also. For me its a moot point, it's just expected. Anything else is a surprise.

This is where the problem lies. For english speakers, Russian Cyrillic does not show up on the chat box. So to all intends you speak in [] like the chinese do, because chinese also doesn't show up, so many people make the mistake of assuming all Boxes writing is chinese.. when in fact it can be a number of other languages, mostly russian or east asian.. So really this is just a case of mistaken identity.. I suppose you could see it as racism to a degree, but for many people, the epidemic to pc gaming from china.. is a major cause for concern.. so it's likely that many people, many of them americans, british,euros, russians etc will also get caught up in the pool of anger this issue is causing.

I was wondering if fire arrows would kill other players, I accidentally set a guy on fire, but I don't know if it harmed him or not, I shot a croc and it attacked him whilst on fire, setting him on fire as well. I can see this being exploited to grief people.

Great info.. must admit first time i even saw a bear I sat and watched it for 30mins trying to decide if they would attack me or not. Haven't tried taming it, I'm not setup that way but maybe at lv 47 I'll respec to do so. Same with elephants, although I've never seen wheat.. so how exactly to you tame something with a resource that effectively doesn't exist.

That's a good point I suppose, never even occured to me to kill another player in pve using a mallet, even in defense of my raft against a griefer. Why stoop to their level afterall? The rest of your post I completely agree with.

Yeh they need to reduce spawns by 95% not 20%. 20% is a joke. It's not even worth doing. Seeing a ghost ship should be a highly remote incident.. not an everyday event.

None of it sounds racist to me. But more of a snowflake making false claims of nazism and racism to defend his own insults against others. Yes there are chinese players, russian players in game, yes, some of them are horrible people, the same goes for the europeans and americans, we all know we all have horrible people. Is it racist to get angry when "a chinaman" exploits you? Is it really actually being racist at all? Racism is about outright hate, loathing of other races, believing yourself to be innately superior to everyone else. I don't see that here. Just some childish hate and anger. And everyone has the right to get angry. I've found on my chain of islands that getting people to talk, breaks down these silly arguments and false accusations. You have no right to go around make accusations of racism when it clearly isn't so. This makes you more in the wrong than the person you're accusing. It would be better if you either ignored them or continued to talk, over time, both sides would get a better understanding of the other. But just accusing people of heinous acts because you don't like what they're saying, that's as equally intollerable.

To jump in here, I know this pain. Played from day of release, got myself a really nice little place, built a tower, put out some buoys to warn people of rocks in low places. Where spawns weren't affected etc. Setup looms, tannery, forge, smithy for anyone to use along with water barrels etc and a grill. A week later, I log out.. next morning log in, it's all gone. And I'm met with people gloating about how they stole it in 3 hours. Not just gloating in chat, but over voice as well. If I was on a pvp server, I'd expect this. But on pve server as far as I am concerned it is a breach of contract by Grapeshot to even allow this kind of exploitation to occur, I don't really blame people for being antisocial in a game that openly supports even designs systems towards supporting antisocial play. Grapeshot/Wildcard are entirely to blame here. The following day I built a new base, on a different island, then they added ghost ships. My new sloop, which I hadn't even used, shipyard.. all gone. This time I placed out over a dozen flags, even out into the ocean, I jumped for hours around the cliffs to find weak points and placed flags above my base so it couldn't get stolen. People came with mallets and killed me. That exploit at least now is being fixed. People used pin code hacks to break through doors, each one using a random pin code. Then they stole from my pin coded lockers. Fortunately, I'd hidden most of my metal behind false walls, which they didn't find. So the bulk of my resources were safe. This game, could be the next Great Ark, the next great game for thousands of pve players to relax in, to talk and chat, to help each other and be social and kind. But grapeshot seem to be going out of their way to allow open exploitation. Allowing flag overlaps to steal isn't bad coding, it's bad design. No two flags from opposing companies should be allowed within an entire flags radius of range from each other, it should not be possible to even place a flag to overlap already claimed land. The game should be designed like this. With the patching to allow ghosts to kill rafts.. even at a claimed "darn close" distance, I expect I'll loose my raft now, parked off shore to a wandering ghost. And what will be the fix? 20% reduction again in something. No. Ghosts need to be removed from gameplay completely. Exploits need to be removed from gameplay completely. New mechanics need to be designed with player safety in mind, not just thrown into the mix all lazy and cack handed to be improved upon down the line. It isn't really that I don't want to play anymore..but that I feel, Grapeshot/Wildcard don't want me to play anymore. They get that wish.

I'm looking as well, but for a group of us to join. But it needs to be Eu region, pve only 1x normal rates. Possibly with ghosts disabled.