[GP] Guybrush Threepwood

Steam and Steam Charts says 1400 players on NA PVP, but Atlas Player Tracker says 5000. https://atlas.hgn.hu/ 

Is that stress testing with bots or are there a load of Xbox players on there during this period? I don't even know if Atlas Player Tracker tracks from Steam or the game servers, if the former, then doesn't quite make sense.

So I went on a well deserved 12 day holiday, because you know Europe knows how to treat their employees.

This was my lovely solo build setup on official servers the day before I went on a 12 day holiday.

This was my lovely solo build setup the day I returned from my 12 day holiday.

This is what happened next...

@Jatheish @Dollie I've said it time and time again, US employees may get treated like shit with their holiday entitlement, but other parts of the world get shown respect and rewarded with decent holiday entitlement.

10 days is absolutely atrocious for a game like this for solo players, or even for multiple players that may be a family that go on a family holiday, or a group of friends that go on a group holiday.

Everything I worked for and did all gone why? Because I chose to take time off from work and go on a well deserved holiday?

I really hope you for once deal with this issue. I know it's a difficult issue with spam structures etc, but don't ignore all the players outside of the US. Just because they get shit employers, don't punish the rest.

It's too late for me because I've decided to move on from ATLAS. But you really need to start appreciating that the majority of the world get decent holiday entitlement each year and it's unfair to lose everything because of it. Put it in your roadmap as a priority.

Thank you for the enjoyment, short-lived as it may be, but my ship has sailed.

58 minutes ago, Ameesa said:

I have a few friends who would start playing on official servers if all the players had the same effort in front of them. Right now it's an introduction to an advanced game. It's like getting into a soccer game just before the final whistle. There are no efforts, tension, setbacks and experiences of progress.

But the player numbers are no low because there hasn't been a wipe. You have a few friends who would start playing, but that doesn't warrant a wipe.

It will take much more than a simple wipe to bring the numbers up to a decent amount.

1 hour ago, Realist said:

plus I have seen the numbers on Eu pve and they aren’t nearly as low as na pve so there is a big difference there.

There are still many NA players on EU PvE who decided not to start over again a second time when NA PvE released. You can't use those numbers to show whether EU or NA is bigger in PvE.

51 minutes ago, boomervoncannon said:

I’m curious, are you saying this because you’ve seen evidence that decay timers on ships with subs don’t reset? Because this would be a testable, observable thing, even if it’s probably not the culprit here.

I'm saying it because i've read enough people raise the possible link to subs.

It's not necessarily decay timers don't reset, it may possibly be if you do not enter the sub (i.e. step foot on it) then if the decay timer of the sub hits 0 it takes the ship with it. This is what people suspect may be happening to ships with subs.

However, not all ships that unexplainably disappear have subs attached to them.

28 minutes ago, NoobieDooz said:

@Guybrush Threepwood  Yes, 1 of the ships had a sub on it. That ship disappeared, aswell as 2 ships on either side of it. But, also a ship further away disappeared too.  One ship in between all of these ships, stayed intact. 

Also one other ship a bit even further away in same harbor, stayed intact. 

There is a possibility that subs attached to ships can cause decay of the actual ship even if you step on, anchor and move the ship without doing anything with the sub.

But if not all those ships had subs then that doesn't quite pin point the issue.

2 hours ago, Ameesa said:

It's already a great game for me. It's very positive when a game is constantly evolving and never reaches Done status. It's just a bit boring when the hoped-for dynamic between players doesn't happen due to lack of players.  More players = More dynamics = More fun ... No matter if PVP or PVE.

Please give your reasons why you think a wipe will help fill the servers up more?

Are you honestly saying the servers are low pop because there hasn't been a wipe in the last 4 months?

@NoobieDooz did any of the ships have a sub on them?

1 hour ago, TomasGunz said:

Jat/Dollie, quick question. trying to set everybody back up on our server. what is the command to give them experience back?

Can't guarantee this works, but i've taken it from ARK and a lot of the cheats are the same for both games.

cheat addexperience 1000 0 0 - this one gives yourself experience.

cheat giveexptoplayer <id> <how much> <tribeshared> <preventsharing> - this one may give another player experience. You can find their ID through showmyadminmanager.

1 hour ago, Jatheish said:

In theory, you could always create manual backups of your save folder. They can be found here, depending on the map you're using:

SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\ATLAS\ShooterGame\Saved\BlackwoodSavedAtlasLocal or SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\ATLAS\ShooterGame\Saved\SavedAtlasLocal

Yup this is advisable. I did this with ARK, just manually back them up each time you finish a session. 

Or if you're good at scripts, could write one to do it each time. But I can't help with script writing. 

1 hour ago, Realist said:

If they do crossplay they better do a wipe. If that does happen that wipe will bring in players believe me.

i still think crossplay is very very stupid. But as long as they wipe if they do it then yes that wipe will definitely bring in players 

If they do crossplay (which I doubt) then yes it would need a wipe, but the game wiping isn't the issue that's preventing people playing. Therefore as I said, even if there is a wipe it won't bring in players, at least not for long, because that is not the real problems with the game.

I also doubt they would ever consider crossplay during EA. The most you can probably expect with cross play is Xbox/Win 10.

2 hours ago, Realist said:

a wipe will bring people back

That's what people said about the first wipe. It was true, it did happen, but didn't last. I don't see another wipe being any different, because the fact there is no wipe right now, or no confirmation there will never be a wipe is not the reason for low numbers, so a wipe wouldn't fix the issues.

If there's a wipe and it brings people back, they'll come back saying yay fresh start, can get my island, etc etc etc, then soon realise the real reason for low numbers (whatever that reason is) still exists and those same players will leave again for the same reasons they left the first time.

I'd love for Atlas to turn things around, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. Sadly I log in once maybe twice a week to fill trough, step on ships, log off. I guess I'm one of those that are clinging on to hope things will improve so log on to keep my belongings.

2 hours ago, Dawg711 said:

Yet if that was true this game would be dead. Opening weekend over 21k in Negative reviews. That would bury some AAA tittles.

21k negative reviews during opening weekend? Where you getting your information from?

The game has in total 23,597 reviews with approx 65% of those negative. So how was there 21k neg reviews during opening weekend?

2 hours ago, Dawg711 said:

Clearly there is enough money behind this game they do not need people to buy the game right now. So no they do NOT need the toxic waste that seems to enjoy buying games just to tear said game down. Same thing was tried with Ark. Review bombing was an embarrassment for that communtiy that they had to endure because Steam does not care.

Yeah there's money behind the game, but they still need people to play the game, that's the whole point of EA. If they wanted to develop the game their own way they wouldn't bother with EA. So i'll say again that the players mean everything to GS, and i'm pretty sure the devs themselves would not say otherwise. But seeing as you like referring to the toxic waste that buy these games then you include yourself in that because all you do is attack those that disagree with you, and that itself is toxic.

7 minutes ago, Emanuel a said:

 major update: CATS!

Sure, they are not hiding content to use after wipe....

No they aren't hiding content to use after wipe. In fact they've been releasing content in between mega updates like Blackwood, and single player. There's nothing to suggest they are hiding content because they are wiping soon. Talk about scaremongering.

Just now, lordkhan4444 said:

most people at this point are just waiting around for the wipe to happen, no one is willing to start a large project at this point cause they know it will be all lost soon.

Most people? Where have you got this info?

And how do they know it will all be lost soon?

3 minutes ago, Emanuel a said:

The wipe is so close that I can almost smell it. It would be foolish to think the wipe is not coming after watching steam charts of active players, and the fact that they didn't release a major update in months, they were saving a lot of new stuff to attract players after the wipe. 

This has lack of thought. The last mega patch was start of June, I suspect the next one is due very soon. Steam charts has nothing to do with whether there will be a wipe or not. If steam charts are really low, why would that indicate a wipe is coming, when they'd probably lose some of those because of a wipe. No wipe is going to help steam charts, because a wipe is not the problem.

On 8/2/2019 at 11:46 AM, Puppies4ever said:

I dont know who says 3 weeks, but we "move" boats 1 time per week to avoid "decay". 

I found where 3 weeks came from.

In Patch 18.0 (pre-wipe) they added this:

- Ships that have been inactive for 3 weeks on PvE servers and Golden Age Ruin servers will now vaporize (tackling the abandoned ramshackle boats/rafts on maps)

Then they immediately reversed it and removed it from patch notes because if I remember correctly it caused issues with ships disappearing that weren't meant to straight after patch went live. They said they reintroduce it when they fix it.

I suspect it got reintroduced at wipe (as there'd be no existing ships anyway) but they failed to state the decay time. So some people, myself included, will have assumed it was still 3 weeks. Was driving me crazy trying to find where I had seen 3 weeks before.

It was confirmed by Jat and Dollie that ships on PvE decay in 2 weeks not 3, and you just need to step foot on them, physically touch them.

1 hour ago, DannyUK said:

The days where you used to run around your own island looking for demolished buildings and grab the loot, they were the days 

I did that a few times, got some good loot too! 

34 minutes ago, Winter Thorne said:

The NPC encampments may or may not require a wipe.  Depends on how they do them.  They've added islands with no wipe before.  It's also possible to make changes to the game while preserving part or most of it.  You could wipe the landscape and preserve the player data, for example.    If they wanted to grab 5 islands out of the map and do something with them, they could wipe 5 islands.  There are a lot of ways to go about it without wiping 100% of the game.

The way they described NPC encampments, if I remember correctly, is that they need to be destroyed before an island can be claimed, although I could be wrong in that. But it would make much more sense to wipe, so that NPC encampments can spawn anywhere on the islands, otherwise if they added it now you'd get encampments spawning most likely inside bases. It just makes much more sense to wipe. And there's no other obvious reason to me as to why it didn't come to official, or at least get put on a PTR.

As for your example of grabbing 5 islands and just wiping them, I doubt they would go down that route as that is 100% unfair on the playerbase to get dev wiped for an update when all others don't get touched. They should handle wipes as wipe all or nothing. As for wiping player data I don't see that as necessary, with the exception of maybe at official launch.

8 hours ago, Wotannatow said:

Wipe isn't a qustion of if - it's a question of when. 

Might be a wipe as soon as the wild pirates feature is introduced to allow them to settle propely on official maps. In fact, I hold that as highly likely and would be quite surprised if there was no wipe for this reason. 

Will definitely be a wipe as the game goes gold - i.e. official release, but that is some 12-18 months away or so. 

My first thought that the reason they haven't introduced the wild NPC encampments onto official servers yet is because for it to work properly they'd need to wipe. A lot of people told me I'm wrong and that i'm trying to stir up wipe rumours. I mean it just takes commonsense to realise it, but I guess those people are pretending because they don't want a wipe. I'd find it hard to believe they can introduce it without a wipe.

Official release, I dunno, ARK never wiped on official release, but they did add new servers. The official servers on Atlas isn't as simple as just adding new servers, so for that reason they may wipe, but it's not guaranteed. Who knows what the server population be at release anyway.

7 hours ago, Jatheish said:

Hm, it could be possible that this is the case, we'll need to investigate. Will look into it.

As for the decay timers, they are set up to work like so:

PvE - 14 days (Golden Age: 1 Day, Freeports: 3 days)

PvP - 30 days (Golden Age: 1 Day, Freeports: 3 days)

and then to keep the timer active, you have to physically stand on the boats.

Thank you Jat, and Dollie on Twitter for confirming this. Now I'm confused where I saw 21 days. But still good to know. 

7 hours ago, Puppies4ever said:

I dont know who says 3 weeks, but we "move" boats 1 time per week to avoid "decay". 

Going on the boat, raise anchor, move slightly forward or backward, lower anchor.

With only anchor up and down it doesnt work. Lost 2 ships because of that.

We still need confirmation of how ship decay works on PvE @Jatheish @Dollie

We so far have the players guessing (we shouldn't have to guess) that the following things are required, yet all contradict one another.

• Decay is 7 days
• Decay is 21 days
• Stepping foot (boarding) on ships or fast travel to ships refresh timers
• Stepping on ships and simply raising and lowering anchor is enough
• Stepping on ships, raising anchor, slightly moving ship, reanchoring refreshes timers.
• Ships have been inactive for longer than 3 weeks with no issues

So we need to know once and for all, only the developers know how this works, what exactly refreshes ships decay timers, and how long is the decay timer?

Either that or simply place the decay timer on screen when you look at the ship just like structures.

This is simple basic things that should not require repeated requests. People shouldn't have to guess at this and learn from losing ships.

On 7/31/2019 at 5:26 PM, Kummba said:

You need to unanchor once every 3 weeks, a guy was told by voodoo which is a GM/developer.

The removed and added msgs are the sub that gets released and attached again.

 

@Jatheish @Dollie Can we please get confirmation of this?

What exactly do we need to do to refresh timers of ships every 21 days?

Do we need to board them? Do we need to unachor them?

These are the sorts of things that people need to know and should not be left to guess and find out.

I'm under the impression it is simply boarding them, but others claim it is unanchoring them. We need this clarified once and for all.

10 hours ago, Winter Thorne said:

feh.

They have just been throwing giant sales on steam.  All those players have to come into an established world.  If the game succeeds, then every single player joining after the first rush will have to come into an established world.  If that's the reason it's bogus.

There's a big difference there. People on PC have had the choice to buy the game and play from day one, or at least from day 1 of the first wipe. If PC players chose to join the game at a later stage and therefore join the official servers when people have all built up, then that was their choice and they have to accept that.

For console players they have had no choice to be able to play. I don't consider buying a PC as a choice either. So yes, there's a big difference when you compare new players joining from console than new players joining on PC.