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13 hours ago, Forb Hidden said:

Is there any thread you don't jump in with the words "crossplay", "wipe" or "Xbox"? 

It's a joke character

Oh, dear. Did you misread? Your point was dismissed:

"Yeah that is a cool and all but when I played ffxiv i was playing on Playstation and there were plenty of people. We are talking 3 years ago mind you. "

Now, shouldn't we continue to talk about how crap a game Atlas is? I am so interested in exploring the intricacies of why Atlas is a mediocre game due to it being a niche game.

P.S. maybe apologise for comparing lol lemme final fantasy with atlas, as that is disrespectful, in fact almost purely disrespectful of the mighty final fantasy at that point

5 hours ago, boomervoncannon said:

He talked about Jeremy's unethical behavior that led to the lawsuit which led to Snail Games involvement with Ark and maybe Atlas. I said it's not the point for the reason already stated.

Sorry... I was being obtuse on purpose. Of course it's not the point. That is blindingly obvious, and if not I pray for your soul.

I mean, to reply to your post that says:

"Snail games bought Wildcard from Jeremy and Jess. That gave them the right to use its base code in other games, which is what you’re seeing with the old west game. What is unknown is what, if any, stake snail has in Grapecard. "

with something that basically tries to say:

 "remember the reason why snail got involved with wildcard, Jeremy sucks, ark sucks and atlas sucks"

which tries to pass itself off as some kind of prophetic or profound statement while not actually furthering the discussion, and is instead furthering some bizarre agenda.

Meh.

On 8/17/2019 at 4:24 AM, boomervoncannon said:

1. Have card games or other games of chance that company members can play together from action stations at the helm, cannons or manning sails, just stuff to pass the time. 

This reminds me of building morale within the crew. How about with the NPCs also? Knife tricks with the crew? If everybody is having fun and losing fingers, the crew morale is increased or something. It would be nice to have more interaction with the crew, but at the same time I do like how they will just do as they are told and don't need anything other than food and gold.

2. Further develop the music and dance tree with an eye towards buffs that are meaningful when sailing, not just fighting. Maybe an anti rain dance to reduce the chances of storms, or weaken the storms that do spring up. A song that increases the chances of seeing things like mermaids, whales, or giant turtles.

Yes! Music is my favourite thing in the game nearly.

3. Make the dolphin buff something that is more likely to be useful while sailing. I know of no one that hops into their galleon and sets out for the horizon thinking "Well, now's the time to craft, let's hope a dolphin shows up and buffs my intelligence while I'm doing it."

Dolphin wake boarding pls

4. Consider a jetstream mechanic that creates channels of ideal wind through which to traverse each zone or even across multiple zones. These would obviously change over time and could create an interesting risk reward scenario in pvp. Perhaps the sextant or the right song or dance would give the ability to see where the jetstream lies up to a certain range. Just brainstorming here.

Sailing into a jetstream or some kind of tunnel/teleport, not knowing exactly where it will end up, might be fun. Would also possibly reduce excessive time sink. I hope, eventually, in end game we can create our own

5. Make flotsam more rewarding by having a small random percentage of flotsam containers recovered have significantly bigger rewards. As it stands I think most players tend to ignore flotsam as largely not worth it. Hence one thing that could help pass the time largely gets ignored.

Yes please. I never ignore flotsam, I spyglass all flotsam, and I wish there was some rare stuff in them. It's a really good feeling to grapple a good quality flotsam while going full speed in a gally, and if there was very high quality flotsams, or just unique flotsams with prebuilt/unique gear in them, that would be great. I don't understand why loot drops aren't like this already - in ark the loot drops either give blueprints or prebuilt items that are made from similar quality blueprint, and both types of loot have their advantages.

 

 sorry, cbf formatting

5 hours ago, Chucksteak said:

Boomer said the solution cant be faster sailing......

So, no, absolutely not. That's not good juju. Fast travel as it is now is out of control. You can die, spawn anywhere, and setup camp and make a bed. As a solo I could, without trying very hard, maintain 3 independent bases with tames, ships, and modest defenses. Need crystal? NP just port on over and schooner some back in minutes. That's only if I decided to NOT fly back, because that is at least harder to do.

You would make any meaningful sense of distance, or the grandness of the size of the map account for fuck all. You would undermine a core mechanic and function of the game just to make it easier, and thus less fulfilling. As it is now, you can max level with very little effort. As it is now, with tames, you can build anything you want with very little effort.

Your saying you would prefer to sail anywhere, regardless of distance with very little effort. 

- Leveling should be harder. It would give it more meaning.

- Not every skill tree should be accessible at all times. It gives them, and other people more meaning and value.

- You should not be able to port anywhere at any time. In PvP,  it ruins strategy and it makes building defenses too easy. (OMG were being attacked, and aren't at base! Good thing we can INSTANTLY port in, put on gear and defend.......HOW, FUCKING, LAME!) Its just a gigantic win win mechanic for bigger companies. You cannot surprise attack someone when it doesn't matter if they are there or not.

Look I understand, a lot of you like WOW, and Tera, and ESO. You can go anywhere with anything, see all the sights and ride all the rides real quick and easy like. They are called theme park MMOs, because at the end of the day you are left with Mickey Mouse. It was never immersing, never got your blood pumping because it was all fake and meant nothing with no consequences. Just there to entertain you for a short amount of time. That's what your asking for when you advocate for more fast travel. To make this a shity play for an hour or 2 a week game. 

I hold Atlas to a deeper vision. I want a game that is challenging and offers growth and progression over multiple years. Please, lets not theme park this one.

Interesting post. I think Atlas is supposed to be a somewhat 'hardcore' game. The challenge and offer of growth and progression over multiple years is a key part of the game. Comparing atlas to ark, however, shows that the difference is basically the time spent in sailing. In ark, the maps are much smaller, it's possible to teleport from one server to another with animals and items, and once the end game is reached, you get access to buildings which allow you to place a teleport wherever you want.

I think what I'm trying to say is that the sailing time does not necessarily a requirement for the game to be 'hardcore'. Ark is a challenging, growing, progressive game over multiple years, and it doesn't have 5 hour sailing trips.

When I first played atlas, I really enjoyed the change of pace/angle, and it was a bit of a shock as the first thing I see is that my ark buddies are happy to just sit on the schooner basically doing nothing while sailing. I logged in and sat on the ship with them, in a few minutes time I was taught the very few things that are needed to know in order to sail, then i just stared at the ocean. I thought, wtf, did the ark guys really make a simulator of a sailing simulator? Is this a microsoft sailing simulator 2018 mod? A shallow 'exploration' game, like NMS was at it's launch? Am I supposed to get enjoyment from pretending that I'm actually sailing, taking in the atmosphere, and being immersed so much in a real life activity? I still have not been able to think of a mechanic which would be fun in the more conventional way, instead of sailing simulator.

This reminds me of the argument when the flyers in ark were nerfed. The devs said that they wanted us to 'experience' the environment that they had lovingly crafted for us, instead of just zoom by on our flyers. The nerf made it so that you had to land for stamina 2-3x more often. This increased travel time up to the point where people on one side of the map would now just do their best to avoid flying to the other side of the map. Instead of having an active map full of people flying around on their dinos, visiting each others bases, creating community, everybody avoided the dullness and time sink of flying. The devs ignored people when they pointed out that, ironically perhaps, in practice they were able to experience the environment much better when they could fly around with less restrictions, and had previously already experienced plenty of the environment as landing 2-3x less than what is now normal is still a significant amount of landing.

People pleaded with the devs by saying please, we don't want to spend 1 hour flying around the map when it previously used to take 15 minutes, for no apparent reason, we don't see any added benefit. The real reason for the flyer nerf was because the flyers were too fast for the auto turrets to shoot, which is legitimate reason, however the devs never offered that reasoning.

I think what is needed is emergent gameplay, but also the 'time thing' and 'make fast travel better' is a thing to consider.

I will keep thinking strictly about gameplay "ideas to make sailing less dull" so that I can contribute to the thread.

On 8/20/2019 at 1:04 PM, boomervoncannon said:

I didn't bring that up because it's not the point. He was obviously unclear about Snail Games relationship to Atlas and possibly Ark. The point of my post wasn't really about Jeremy, but about Snail games, and what we know about what they do and don't own. They bought Wildcard, they made the wild west thing using part of Ark's code. But GrapeCard is a seperate company and we don't know how involved Snail might be, if at all. What's not true is that all 3 are somehow just in some big pot o gaming company from out which pops 4 or 5 different games all with the same base code.

 

 

Not the point? What do you mean?

Anyway, blah blah Jeremy shit emoticon blah blah......

12 minutes ago, Realist said:

First my reply would be that it is bad form to say anyone’s opinion is worthless regardless of the reason.

my second reply would be wishing someone was your slave is also very bad form.

my third and final reply would be that you got to have a fresh experience, why is it so bad that that I want that too? Why is it my fault that the devs took so long to release on console? And why are you so adamant on making my fun experience less than yours? 

 

There you go, I ignored the funding part like you asked me to. I may not have played the game but o have followed the company for a lot longer than you have. That is an area where people probably shouldn’t argue with me.

Wow, well done, it appears you have posted something that on the surface appears to genuinely attempt to converse with other people, and discuss ideas in a rational, and comprehensive way. That wasn't so difficult now, was it? Why do you choose to not behave this way usually? Seems obvious what the answer to that... oh wait, your reply is just more bs.

I'm sorry, but your opinion is worthless because you have no knowledge to give said opinion. If I was a moderator on the forum I would be close to banning you. It is not my rule that if you are going to post on forums about video games (and other things/any thing really) without any knowledge, only hearsay and speculation, then you are not qualified to form a valid opinion, but I do agree with the rule.

It is bad form to say that it is bad form to say anyone's opinion is worthless regardless of the reason, without having a reason. Why pick and choose when reasons can be used? You want to use reasoning to determine that something is bad? What makes you capable of deciding what is bad or worthless?

In context, being told that you would be good as a 'mindless yet oh so loyal farmer' in a grinding simulator, should actually be considered a compliment. This is because you say that you are a grinder, i'm saying that you would be a great grinder so much so that I wish you were my slave (in context.)

It's bad because you only want the fresh experience for selfish reasons - same as a wannabe PVE island owner. Just personal preference. Why is it our fault that the devs took so long to make a game for PC? Why are you so adamant on making everyone else's, including those who want crossplay and do not want a wipe (what was it that i was saying about those guys again?) fun experience less (wiped actually) than yours?

Still not convinced that you understand what i'm saying when I remind you that you are against the raze button, which is the equivalent of the wipe. Convince us that you are not the equivalent of a prospective griefer island owner wanting to use the raze feature that is now removed from the game. You are talking out both sides of your mouth, also somewhere else maybe, again, as others have noted.

I doubt that you have followed the company a lot longer (lots? haha you would be so sad when you saw my total playtime etc) than i have, however that is not relevant.

P.S. is crossplay even technically possible?

7 hours ago, Realist said:

I really just don’t understand you at this point. And no, ark funded the game not you. It was being worked on and funded long before you bought the game.

That is because youre a joke character.

Ark funded atlas? So, when i purchased Atlas, what did I fund? The next ARK DLC?

Try this - just ignore that part about the game funding. Now what will you reply?

You just don't understand? Why? Where's all your bs nonsense spam to explain why?

On 8/14/2019 at 12:58 AM, Realist said:

I totally get that other people have other preferences and they also express what the want. I am merely doing what they are doing. I have my preferences and I will try my hardest to get what I prefer.

though I can’t speak for everyone I can speak for the people I know and the people I have heard from on the internet that they want the “new” game, not the “used” version.

once again, I don’t necessarily want you to be wiped. If the game is crossplay, then I do want you to be wiped. Once again, I am buying a “new” game so I want it fresh.

like I tell everyone else, if they don’t want the wipe they can join against crossplay.

You do realise the game you are buying is currently being funded by us pleb PC players you want to wipe, just so you can have a "fresh" experience. Do you not have any money to buy a gaming PC? Why do you not join the rest of us sane people and actually play the game, so you can give opinions on something you have knowledge on, instead of worthless spam?

Honestly, you post too much crap that I can't be bothered to correct it all. But the above may do for now...

P.S. i think you would be able to contribute worthwhile content to the forums if you actually played the game, and i wish you were my farming slave

P.P.S. how do you not understand that you are the equivalent of a wannabe PVE island owner (you don't even own the game, let alone own the island..) wanting to raze previous peoples efforts in a game that were made to have fun? some people may want to join in on the fun, instead of ruining others, those people may be not against crossplay but also not against a wipe?

P.P.P.S. at this point, let me remind you that said you were always against the purge (raze) button feature...

7 hours ago, crazywildfire said:

Actually it is very fact. I never said anything about you not sticking to your opinion did I? I said you are a hypocritical troll. What is sad is you don't see it but it is okay not mad just pointing it out

 

Lol!! This is a great moment in internet history and also at the same time a sad and insignificant moment. I mean, what that joke character replied to, and with, and your reply.... brilliant <3

9 hours ago, Realist said:

Wannabe pve? I don’t have any problem with pve people but you sure seem to. Is calling me a pve wannabe a way of trying to insult me because I wouldn’t take that as an insult. Pretty sure @boomervoncannonis a pve player and he seems like an ok guy. I am a pvp carebear and that is the main reason I want the wipe. 

I will continue to keep saying to wipe because I will not be buying the game if there is not one. I want to purchase the game but not if it is already filled.

feel free to put me on ignore. It won’t hurt my feelings. 

Crossplay is big enough for a wipe. Disagree all you want, but you aren’t going to shut me up.

Oh, ok, lets just talk about what you wanna talk about then, and lets just ignore most things that've been discussed in the thread up until now, and lets talk about whether or not people are PVE players or not.....

I'm not trying to insult you, i'm trying to help you (you need help.)

The word 'crossplay' is not a big enough word that it is just somehow 'big enough' for a wipe.

Nobody needs you to shup up, you just need to show what you have shown so far, and help everyone else to avoid posting such dribble (you've posted it for them.)

...and I just realised that there is 4x in ark this weekend. Haha, d'oh!

I tried to just give hints so that people could figure it out for themselves (that's how it's done..) but what I'm saying is that you are basically a wannabe PVE island owner who doesn't even own the land yet who wants to use the purge button, if you can only think of 'crossplay' making 'money' for the 'devs' as some kind of valid reason to post.

Apparently, there is lots of islands removed and added in the PTR, so a wipe may actually happen based on the past events. Hopefully, and this is important, as grapeshot has stated, there will be some way to prevent a wipe. In ark, if a area was required to be wiped, the devs implemented a visible red ring around the area, and notified people so that they could move their stuff. Basically, a soft wipe. When the legacy servers became legacy, there was an opportunity to move to the new servers.

Honestly, all of this thread is just a rehash of threads from years ago in the ark forums. Realist, if you say you are an ark player, get a clue mate, please.

To contribute - I wish that the game would somehow become viable in a state that is stable. The whole nature of the game is to avoid wipes. It is a persistent world, and the whole point, as Realist has conceded, is to grind and achieve something in a persistent world. Thus, any argument that its good for wipes to occur, or any bs postulation that there is going to be a wipe is detrimental. If however there is a technical or logical reason for a wipe, such as changes that the OP has pointed out, or changes that have caused wipes in the past (for both ark and atlas) then that is ok. You would need to be a dev to talk about this, and until then, please rethink your post.

The purge button is an example of trying to relate - any of the reasons that can somehow be imagined by someone who doesn't play the game, to think that a purge button is bad, they are equal to any reasons that a wipe is bad.

A wipe will happen, or not, but it shouldn't be because of forums being spammed by people who are waiting to play the game. It's most likely unnecessary however, as OP and others have pointed out.

Realist, how would you know if its easy to level up if you don't play the game? If its easy to level up, why are you complaining about a non level playing field? You don't want to play because a lvl 100 will beat you up, you speak for all the future console players who say they won't play because a lvl 100 will beat them up, huh? Why don't you just level up. If there is a whole population of players including megas waiting to play on console, they are just like any future players or megas waiting to play on PC.

I'm certain that you also actually agree with the rest of Winter Thorne's post.

It seems only a joke character wants to play only if they are allowed to join the game world after everything is wiped - isn't that kind of like how PVE island owners wanted to grief people and destroy their stuff using the purge button? I think the reason that some people convinced themselves was a good enough reason for the purge button was because they wanted a "nice clean place to live in" when they started playing, so everything before the glorious time we were blessed by their presence is not needed. What happened to that feature?

13 minutes ago, Realist said:

I totally missed that part. There is dynamic  player diplomacy? Ok, now I am getting excited for my game 

Fixed for ya.

Maybe if you played the game, you would know about diplomacy in the game, or are just being a troll?

Should be perma 6x end of days apocalypse rates

" and potentially expanded onto the Official Networks in the future. "

Most certainly?

The fact that anyone that doesn't actually play the game and thinks of themselves as somehow having a valid opinion on said game, regardless of any EA status, is disgusting.

P.S. Everybody didn't complain by saying that they have played for an amount of time, they complained because they were told that there would be no wipe.