Jozzie McTowel 170 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) I guess pictures say more than words, but here is just a clear line showing how much these "devs" are pissing people off over time. Edited February 2, 2019 by Jozzie McTowel 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polar Express 74 Posted February 1, 2019 Hey my dude. i read and bumped your other thread concerning the state of the game and it was well written. The inclusion of the videos of blatant hackers/ exploiters was also a good inclusion. I hope the stuff that was laid out in the most recent captains log works to help get a lot of the player base back as well as adding a lot of new players. They did point out that they realise they can’t just cater to mega companies or streamer companies (by extension) and realise smaller and medium companies make up part of the player base too. Which is good imo. I don’t know if the devs are trying to piss people off essentially. I just think they were focussing too much on the hardcore PVP aspect of the game. The player base for atlas and ark I don’t believe are specifically the CSGO, PUBG and Rust types. Which is good sometimes. In ark you can generally talk to other players (in my personal experience which may vary from server to server basis) rather than just being required to KOS lest you be KOSed first. I came to atlas (from playing mostly Rust on australian servers) with that in mind and the intention to change my play style. This seemed to suit atlas for a while until the stone update went live. Then offlining by a number of wannabe MLG (I’m assuming former ARK mega tribes became rampant and chased off a number of smaller and medium groups. That made discourse with a lot of the player base ( and therefore some game mechanics that I believe should be crucial to this game ) like trading and neutral claims with smaller groups living on them together to help defend etc disappear. Id really like to see the devs bring in a system that rewards large companies by turning them into what you’d essentially call a “government” with smaller groups ( civilian population) living on their land to reward those “governments”. I then hope the bigger groups will be rewarded for only fighting other bigger groups rather than smaller groups. I think the latest captains log may be addressing something like what I described above, which will hopefully bring smaller companies back to the game on a fair playing field. Keep up the good fight buddy. And thanks for the insight. It’s a shame to see such a cool game die due to such small mistakes on the part of the devs. I hope they can fix it. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strawman 114 Posted February 1, 2019 It's almost unbelievable watching this game bleed. I can't imagine the mental gymnastics they're doing to avoid blaming themselves. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Percieval 1,067 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Anything unexpected here? Before the launch the atlas community would be like what? 10K people? Then it absolutely exploded when pretty much every big streamer on twitch started streaming it, because of that everything went to shit. After that, it’s pretty much ARK’s development all over again. I’m definitely not surprised. Edited February 1, 2019 by Percieval 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) LOL, once again, proving that charts can show exactly what you want them to. Here, watch this trick. No Man's Sky vs Atlas 1 month after launch. Oh Noes! No Man's Sky is DOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEDDDDDD!!! *cough* Edited February 1, 2019 by Jean Lafitte 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomervoncannon 1,541 Posted February 1, 2019 Warren Buffet is by a wide margin the most successful investor of the modern era. Until he gave most of his fortune to charity he was one of the wealthiest men in the world. Go look up what he thinks of charts and graphs of stock prices as useful tools of information. In the case of Ark all I see in the chart is the same sort of fluctuation all successful games experience over time. At the moment activity there *may* be affected by a significant portion of their playerbase trying out their new game. As far as Atlas, it’s just too early in the process to draw any useful conclusions. Bottom line is you can show all the charts you want, but the example of No Man’s Sky and the way it came back from almost dead means the opera ain’t over til the fat lady sings, so might as well just sit back and see what happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet Force 151 Posted February 1, 2019 The last ARK expansion was called Extinction for a good reason. It has single handedly managed to do what even mass exploits and hacking couldn't and that is turn people away from the game. Extinction basically added the ability to tame Titans which in Atlas terms would be like being able to tame something in between a Dragon/Hydra and the Kraken in terms of raw power, health and size. Now obviously with a such creature being tamable, what was left of balance in ARK was scattered to the wind. It breaks through even the highest tier structure with ease and has 500,000 hitpoints and isn't even that hard to tame certainly not for a mega tribe. The end result has been players leaving the game in droves and yet still Wild Card hasn't fully come to understand why it might be a bit game breaking. The Atlas devs though seem to be a bit more with it in terms of tame balance at least. They've nerfed the tameable dragon significantly although I would still argue the game would be better if it simply wasn't tameable to begin with. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bullet Force said: The last ARK expansion was called Extinction for a good reason. It has single handedly managed to do what even mass exploits and hacking couldn't and that is turn people away from the game. If Ark is considered a failure, then may all my failures be this successful. Top games by current player count CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME 546,899 628,750 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 482,184 832,202 Dota 2 279,308 805,746 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS 257,535 275,043 KHOLAT 88,069 106,502 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 60,197 60,420 Football Manager 2019 58,493 58,723 Rocket League 52,404 53,544 Rust 51,680 64,959 Warframe 51,260 70,925 Grand Theft Auto V 48,372 56,771 Team Fortress 2 38,797 40,070 ARK: Survival Evolved Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyorin 44 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: LOL, once again, proving that charts can show exactly what you want them to. Here, watch this trick. No Man's Sky vs Atlas 1 month after launch. Oh Noes! No Man's Sky is DOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEDDDDDD!!! *cough* You are using made up numbers though so I'm not sure what your point is. Atlas would be 27076 peak players on Jan 22. And with your NMS numbers both are clear terrible trends? I hate statistics because of how easy they are to manipulate retards, but I fail to see how using imaginary numbers proves anything? EDIT - NMS was wrong, my steam charts is acting funky. Edited February 1, 2019 by Kyorin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kyorin said: You are using made up numbers though so I'm not sure what your point is. Atlas would be 27076 peak players on Jan 22. And NMS was like 9k down to zero almost. Both of which are clear terrible trends. I hate statistics because of how easy they are to manipulate retards, but I fail to see how using imaginary numbers proves anything? https://steamcharts.com/app/834910 https://steamcharts.com/app/275850 Did I stretch the 2k vs 9k for dramatic effect? Yes I did. Are the numbers imaginary? No, they are quite real. Does it prove my point that charts can say what you'd like? Yes it does. Edited February 1, 2019 by Jean Lafitte Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyorin 44 Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: https://steamcharts.com/app/834910 https://steamcharts.com/app/275850 You just read the highest amount it hit in the month? Why would you do that, that just makes it a terrible chart. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bullet Force 151 Posted February 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: If Ark is considered a failure, then may all my failures be this successful. Top games by current player count CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME 546,899 628,750 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 482,184 832,202 Dota 2 279,308 805,746 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS 257,535 275,043 KHOLAT 88,069 106,502 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 60,197 60,420 Football Manager 2019 58,493 58,723 Rocket League 52,404 53,544 Rust 51,680 64,959 Warframe 51,260 70,925 Grand Theft Auto V 48,372 56,771 Team Fortress 2 38,797 40,070 ARK: Survival Evolved ARK is far from a failure but its a game that is in a steady decline which is not helped by the lack of foresight from the developers with regards to introduced balance issues that they have created. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Percieval 1,067 Posted February 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: If Ark is considered a failure, then may all my failures be this successful. Top games by current player count CURRENT PLAYERS PEAK TODAY GAME 546,899 628,750 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 482,184 832,202 Dota 2 279,308 805,746 PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS 257,535 275,043 KHOLAT 88,069 106,502 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege 60,197 60,420 Football Manager 2019 58,493 58,723 Rocket League 52,404 53,544 Rust 51,680 64,959 Warframe 51,260 70,925 Grand Theft Auto V 48,372 56,771 Team Fortress 2 38,797 40,070 ARK: Survival Evolved But don’t forget where ARK comes from. It took an enormous amount of bad decisions, nerfs and buffs to get where it is. And they still screwed up with extinction. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Percieval said: But don’t forget where ARK comes from. It took an enormous amount of bad decisions, nerfs and buffs to get where it is. And they still screwed up with extinction. I could spend the next hour debating all these doomsayers and their statistics. I could spend another hour speculating as to why they make these posts. But here's reality. This is a 24 inning game and trying to predict the final score now is akin to waving a dead chicken around professing that your performing voodoo. Edited February 1, 2019 by Jean Lafitte 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomervoncannon 1,541 Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: I could spend the next hour debating all these doomsayers and their statistics. I could spend another hour speculating as to why they make these posts. But here's reality. This is a 24 inning game and trying to predict the final score now is akin to waving a dead chicken around professing your performing voodoo. *tucks his dead chicken under his trench coat and walks away whistling* 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaite 36 Posted February 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jean Lafitte said: I could spend the next hour debating all these doomsayers and their statistics. I could spend another hour speculating as to why they make these posts. But here's reality. This is a 24 inning game and trying to predict the final score now is akin to waving a dead chicken around professing that your performing voodoo. or you could just chalk it up to their observation and opinion without the need to feel like you need to debate everything 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boomervoncannon 1,541 Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jaite said: or you could just chalk it up to their observation and opinion without the need to feel like you need to debate everything Killjoy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greyleaf 51 Posted February 1, 2019 ALL online games start off with big numbers and then slide downhill after a month or two. It's just the way things go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jaite said: or you could just chalk it up to their observation and opinion without the need to feel like you need to debate everything And if there were no one point fingers at fake news then people would believe everything they read and we'd all be speaking Chinese. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sklex 64 Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Greyleaf said: ALL online games start off with big numbers and then slide downhill after a month or two. It's just the way things go. Nope. Eve did something very right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jaite 36 Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Jean Lafitte said: And if there were no one point fingers at fake news then people would believe everything they read and we'd all be speaking Chinese. When I read OP's post, I read "Look this is what I think is happening based on the data this website is scraping from the API". When I see your post, I see "Let me try to cause some drama and make up a chart". You see this here? It's an observation from me of someone who probably cries fake news every chance they get. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jean Lafitte 451 Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Jaite said: When I read OP's post, I read "Look this is what I think is happening based on the data this website is scraping from the API". When I see your post, I see "Let me try to cause some drama and make up a chart". You see this here? It's an observation from me of someone who probably cries fake news every chance they get. And you could have just chalked that up to my observation and opinion without feeling the need to debate it... but you didn't did you? When I see your post, I see "I need to interject some slander here because his facts are obviously skewing public opinion." 3 hours ago, Kyorin said: You just read the highest amount it hit in the month? Why would you do that, that just makes it a terrible chart. Hey guys... *looks over his shoulder* I think he gets it! 1 hour ago, Sklex said: Nope. Eve did something very right. HEY! No posting factual charts on these forums! It's forbidden! This is for fake news and doomsayers only! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jozzie McTowel 170 Posted February 2, 2019 I'll give u comparison from those games in the top so much on Steam, excluded TF2 cuz of space issues and it being a free game. Now the games in this list are listed on all time graph. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Realist 504 Posted February 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Jozzie McTowel said: I guess pictures say more than words, but here is just a clear line showing how much these "devs" are pissing people off over time. It is way worse than the graphs to be honest. Ark sold way more copies, even with the player charts. Ark also still failed and was rescued by snail games for an influx of money. it isn’t a matter of if the game will die or not. What it comes down to is, “who will buy this company” when they need another influx of cash. if they can get a big company to buy them out then sure the game could survive. But they literally can’t do it themselves. It is completely impossible. They couldn’t do it with ark and ark was more successful. lets wait and see who buys them out this time. Hopefully rare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zubov56 8 Posted February 2, 2019 5 hours ago, boomervoncannon said: Warren Buffet is by a wide margin the most successful investor of the modern era. Until he gave most of his fortune to charity he was one of the wealthiest men in the world. Go look up what he thinks of charts and graphs of stock prices as useful tools of information. In the case of Ark all I see in the chart is the same sort of fluctuation all successful games experience over time. At the moment activity there *may* be affected by a significant portion of their player base trying out their new game. As far as Atlas, it’s just too early in the process to draw any useful conclusions. Bottom line is you can show all the charts you want, but the example of No Man’s Sky and the way it came back from almost dead means the opera ain’t over til the fat lady sings, so might as well just sit back and see what happens. There is a massively huge difference between stocks and gaming charts.That is why there is a commission over seeing everything stocks because there is a lot of illegal activity there and manipulating stocks and stock values.I would garner a bet that the illegality of the stock market is far worse than the commission can keep up with or prove and that is a problem,they need to definitively prove every wrong doing. A game chart is VERY simple,it doesn't even carry any discrimination or excuses ,it shows that on that platform weather it is succeeding or players are disapproving with the developers ideals. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites