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The current meta is planting barrel bombs on ships, gliding onto them or glitching into lower deck and placing them there.   I'm telling everyone so it becomes so widespread and cancerous they have to fix it.

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We experienced a new one today on NA PvP... the drake as a wall-defying, ship destroying tame. I honestly can't believe they let flying mounts onto the PvP servers, but if this stands then it will become a new Meta. There is no stopping it, and all of your defenses become irrelevant. We can actually stop the exploding barrels, though it is annoying to do so. But to build defenses against dragon attack? It is a bit ridiculous, and completely changes the way PvP happens in the game.

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I know they tweaked the dragon in a recent patch, how much damage was it doing?      And did carbines and such make a dent in it's health?

As to the "TNT" barrel meta, that was actually the meta a couple weeks ago.     These days you have swivels on ships manned by npcs pointed inward and one at the front of the ship pointed forward.    Not impossible to get by them or snipe them first but it takes a lot of skill and effort, and TNT barrels are -very- expensive, generally too expensive for tribes to risk on such risky shenanigans.    

New meta as far as I've seen is fast, as light as you can make them ships with all speed sails.     Minimal weight on board, you just bail water and replace planks.     Some are going with -no- gunports, and putting their cannons on top deck only.

The land PVP Meta seems stagnent though.    While you can fight on the ocean with ships or destroy ships in harbor, unless you can bombard a base from the water (IE they had no choice to build inland or stupidly didn't), it's -very- hard to break into a stone structure right now, especially if it's surrounded by behemoth gates and on the highest point to prevent gliding.      Best way is to either catch them asleep (not going to happen for the larger tribes) or slowly defend and claim a piece of land nearby to set a mortar up on (and make sure they can't mortar you back easily).

Thinking the new tames being announced (particularly the rock elemental) might be the base busters tho.     We'll see how their damage against gates/stone walls is.

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3 hours ago, Migolcow said:

 

The land PVP Meta seems stagnent though.    While you can fight on the ocean with ships or destroy ships in harbor, unless you can bombard a base from the water (IE they had no choice to build inland or stupidly didn't), it's -very- hard to break into a stone structure right now, especially if it's surrounded by behemoth gates and on the highest point to prevent gliding.      Best way is to either catch them asleep (not going to happen for the larger tribes) or slowly defend and claim a piece of land nearby to set a mortar up on (and make sure they can't mortar you back easily).

Thinking the new tames being announced (particularly the rock elemental) might be the base busters tho.     We'll see how their damage against gates/stone walls is.

Funny last night we were in a fight on land, trying to take a base (which took us 7 hours to do.. yes they had active defenders).    The ONLY reason we were able to take that base is because all of their defenses was pointed to the sea and we came in from the land behind.

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14 hours ago, Hodo said:

Funny last night we were in a fight on land, trying to take a base (which took us 7 hours to do.. yes they had active defenders).    The ONLY reason we were able to take that base is because all of their defenses was pointed to the sea and we came in from the land behind.

Where was this? are you from Arkadia?

 

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18 minutes ago, Justiice said:

Where was this? are you from Arkadia?

 

No, Aesir.   And it was a good fight, it is a shame they had to lose.  

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The land meta atm seems to be horses/bears + swivel guns. Beats anyone on foot with ease. Carbines and pistols don't do enough damage to be any use against it since they can quickly retreat and use the healing aura and be back to full health in a few seconds.

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2 hours ago, Bullet Force said:

The land meta atm seems to be horses/bears + swivel guns. Beats anyone on foot with ease. Carbines and pistols don't do enough damage to be any use against it since they can quickly retreat and use the healing aura and be back to full health in a few seconds.

Sure but I'd assume that that's only good for killing people outside of bases?     Or can canister shots actually do damage to stone, to the point where it can allow a break in a wall or such?

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What the current counter to the dragon at this point? watching streams of a single dragon basically wiping multiple grids over night its crazy!

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Who are you guys kidding, the PVP meta is and always has been offline killing. 90% of the ships the alliance in my servers has lost has been offlined.  90% of the people who have attacked my bases have been while offline. 

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What does it mean if you see an enemy dragon approaching your multi-layer well defended honeycomb base ?

Basically it means you can look for a new MMO to play.

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1 hour ago, Talono said:

What does it mean if you see an enemy dragon approaching your multi-layer well defended honeycomb base ?

Basically it means you can look for a new MMO to play.

Honestly I would rather see the dragon coming to my base than some of the Chinese hackers.... at least the Dragon can be killed.

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The meta is all about dragons now, rip ship combat.. if a fleet attacks just get a dragon.. soon cyclopses and fire elementals tf? CAN'T WE HAVE A SIMPLE SHIP COMBAT GAME? ARK is your tame combat game, come tf on wildcard.  Remove dragons from being tamed and don't add cyclopses and w/e tf else, just stop.  OR make it so dragons take 40k gold, plus 18 hours of feeding it prime meat only or something.  They need to be more difficult to obtain because the way it is, all you need is 40 people on sloops farming 1k gold each for an hour or 2 and bang out dragons non stop.

Even the people using dragons don't like it but are like *shrug* its the meta.

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On 1/26/2019 at 8:02 PM, Sykotech said:

The meta is all about dragons now, rip ship combat.. if a fleet attacks just get a dragon.. soon cyclopses and fire elementals tf? CAN'T WE HAVE A SIMPLE SHIP COMBAT GAME? ARK is your tame combat game, come tf on wildcard.  Remove dragons from being tamed and don't add cyclopses and w/e tf else, just stop.  OR make it so dragons take 40k gold, plus 18 hours of feeding it prime meat only or something.  They need to be more difficult to obtain because the way it is, all you need is 40 people on sloops farming 1k gold each for an hour or 2 and bang out dragons non stop.

Even the people using dragons don't like it but are like *shrug* its the meta.

Dragons are bad, but not as bad as the naked on a ramshackle sloop with 8 barrel bombs, oil jars and fire arrows.  That is the current meta.  

They sail to where they start getting shot at, jump off the boat swim underwater for the whole distance, get close to a ship... clip into the bottom deck, place a barrel bomb,  then jump out of the ship.   Then they do it again on the next ship.  

when they are out of bombs they use oil jars and flaming arrows on everything else.   

Then when everything is sunk.. they just punch a bear and die and go home laughing.  

 

Welcome to the new meta.

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NPCs can man ballistas, and the dragon has been nerfed.

The swivels + npcs in carts is a bit obscene though,need to force it to be humans on a cart only.    It wouldn't be so bad except if the server lags then the NPC is the only one getting clear shots (and they need to make the horse+cart combo NOT able to swim, much less swim so fat...ridiculous on several levels)

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The swivel meta needs to go to be honest. People bitch about gliders but yet are perfectly okay with a NPC with aimbot that you can glitch through walls, in sails or be mounted and around on a turbo mount killing people in full plate with 200+hp in an instant. 

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On 1/25/2019 at 8:06 PM, Kegstand Mcfarland said:

Who are you guys kidding, the PVP meta is and always has been offline killing. 90% of the ships the alliance in my servers has lost has been offlined.  90% of the people who have attacked my bases have been while offline. 

Yeah, this is why there should be OFFLINE RAID PROTECTION...There is no value in offline it is NOT PVP at that point it is just a troll griefing a vulnerable and unmanned ship. Like a car thief.

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