Reporting a griefer/extreme use of racial slurs/now using third party cheats

[Realist 504]

3 minutes ago, psykikk said:

this is an assumption. a good one I agree, but it still is an ssumption you are making right here. 

other companies - in any industry - make an art out of funneling all communications to one dedicated, main channel. 

dedicated and specialised if possible, yet they "direct" communication. 

here i can go read patchnotes. details about those patchnotes I read on steam. why is that ? 

if devs can answer on twitter, why wouldnt they answer on the official forums where chances are equally big for others to see, if they wióuld tell them where to look for it. 

whatthey need is a bugtracker. a dev and feature tracker where suggestions that are made, are evaluated, are in design, are in testing, are in patchnotes can be seen. 

 

how freakin hard is that ? other companies do this quiet well. 

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look how fast the thread changed form talking about griefers to communications  
 

They don’t want you to know what they are working on.

someone posted a picture that jat and other devs were playing rust during work hours and everyone got all raging.

there is a reason there is no way to see what they are doing. This isn’t the typical company by any means

[Not Happy 38]

16 minutes ago, psykikk said:

this is an assumption. a good one I agree, but it still is an ssumption you are making right here. 

other companies - in any industry - make an art out of funneling all communications to one dedicated, main channel. 

dedicated and specialised if possible, yet they "direct" communication. 

here i can go read patchnotes. details about those patchnotes I read on steam. why is that ? 

if devs can answer on twitter, why wouldnt they answer on the official forums where chances are equally big for others to see, if they wióuld tell them where to look for it. 

whatthey need is a bugtracker. a dev and feature tracker where suggestions that are made, are evaluated, are in design, are in testing, are in patchnotes can be seen. 

 

how freakin hard is that ? other companies do this quiet well. 

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look how fast the thread changed form talking about griefers to communications  
 

Twitter is preffered nowadays due to it's enforced brevity and because of it's activity metrics.

Twitter to occasionally give what amounts to a brief thumbs up and to assauge people that activity is going on and a forum/web post for any lengthy bit of confirmed info that can't directly be replied to.

The general feedback and mood reported on the forums will absolutely be accounted for andnoted. That doesn't mean of course anything would ever be done about anything as these concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Edited January 7, 2019 by Not Happy

[Realist 504]

2 minutes ago, Not Happy said:

Got to be honest I'm a little confused, I'll see if I can answer you though. Just let me know if this doesn't cover it.

Of course this forum is read by people working for grapeshot. There is probably some lowly QA guy who goes through the bugs section looking for new stuff to put into the proper format of whichever bug reporting queing sytem they are using, this would be standard.

Yes they will use the forums as part of the whole feedback mesh for community feedback, I really don't get the notion that you think they wouldn't.

Will they respond directly? Highly unlikely as this is considered a rabbit hole these days. Feedback yes, but don't get involved would be a summary of the general policy I encountered.

Almost your whole post was right. Except this isn’t a place for feedback unless we are talking about bugs.

i don’t get the notion you think they would. Them having enough time to do that and not only go through all of threads here but take the time to jot down notes for all of them? No dude, and they aren’t going to pay someone to do that either.

”general discussion” try to understand that. Why would they bother diving into the general discussion forum?

there is a place for bugs, that will probably be checked.

they are not going to come to the general discussion section.

 

[Not Happy 38]

6 minutes ago, Realist said:

Almost your whole post was right. Except this isn’t a place for feedback unless we are talking about bugs.

i don’t get the notion you think they would. Them having enough time to do that and not only go through all of threads here but take the time to jot down notes for all of them? No dude, and they aren’t going to pay someone to do that either.

”general discussion” try to understand that. Why would they bother diving into the general discussion forum?

there is a place for bugs, that will probably be checked.

they are not going to come to the general discussion section.

 

 

The thing is, it doesn't take long to cover the highlights and anything with a large number of replies, such as this thread.

Go through every single post with a fine toothed comb? Of course not, but it doesn't take long at all to sort wheat from chaff. Thirty posts of chaff about the same/similar thing starts to look awfully wheaty.

The medium is not so important as is the exposure level and this is variable.

Edited January 7, 2019 by Not Happy

[Bonedancer 26]

On 1/3/2019 at 8:32 AM, MattOfSmith said:

So we have had this company on the PvE NA server in K6 called Dark Brotherhood, led by character name Velsang A, steam account name Lahlah. Since he has been on the island (roughly 4 days now), he keeps between 5-10 buoys down at all times when he isnt online and specifically farming so that nothing respawns on the island. On top of that, he slings out hate speech constantly. Today was the last straw for me when he was nice enough to switch my flag message to what you see in the screen. (Content warning:racial slurs).

 

Please, for the love of god, ban this griefing, toxic person so that we can get back to actually enjoying the game.

Edit: For the sake of adding everything to the OP, he is now also pin code hacking right in front of people and bragging about it in chat. He is solo sinking ships (at least 2 brigs today, and countless sloops/schooners over the last week). He is also constantly changing his company name to mimic mine in an attempt to get people to think its my company doing it. He has also changed the picture of his company flag to a swastika.

What are you a girl? If you get your little feelings hurt that easy dude, you shouldn't be playing games like Ark/Atlas. I mean, if you don't want to deal with things like this, I'd normally suggest hopping on over to the PvP server, knock him out and jail him for weeks. But being as you can't stand a little trash talk, I'd probably direct you to another game. 

[psykikk 66]

4 minutes ago, Bonedancer said:

What are you a girl? If you get your little feelings hurt that easy dude, you shouldn't be playing games like Ark/Atlas. I mean, if you don't want to deal with things like this, I'd normally suggest hopping on over to the PvP server, knock him out and jail him for weeks. But being as you can't stand a little trash talk, I'd probably direct you to another game. 

What you are saying is Ark / Atlas are literally the posterchild of toxic player behavior.... and everybody that think its toxic needs to harden the shit up... 

boy oh boy. 

How do I unfollow threads so I am spared this kind of mentality ? oh yeah, just found it. 
 

[Not Happy 38]

1 minute ago, Bonedancer said:

What are you a girl? If you get your little feelings hurt that easy dude, you shouldn't be playing games like Ark/Atlas. I mean, if you don't want to deal with things like this, I'd normally suggest hopping on over to the PvP server, knock him out and jail him for weeks. But being as you can't stand a little trash talk, I'd probably direct you to another game. 

No, he's just not a total end who needs to grow up.

I think you should have the strength of your convictions and go into work or your local supermarket etc and start yelling it over and over, then you can explain to your boss/the police all about free speech and carebears. It's only a little trash talk, right?

Do let me know how it goes.

[Realist 504]

13 minutes ago, Not Happy said:

 

The thing is, it doesn't take long to cover the highlights and anything with a large number of replies, such as this thread.

Go through every single post with a fine toothed comb? Of course not, but it doesn't take long at all to sort wheat from chaff. Thirty posts of chaff about the same/similar thing starts to look awfully wheaty.

The medium is not so important as is the exposure level and this is variable.

I think a lot of people that have been victims of cheaters that posted before him would be pretty mad if he got supported before them. Actually that would be completely unethical.

but we all know wildcard is a very unethical company but if they were a proper company they would start out by helping the first report and then moving down the list.

[Not Happy 38]

1 minute ago, Realist said:

I think a lot of people that have been victims of cheaters that posted before him would be pretty mad if he got supported before them. Actually that would be completely unethical.

but we all know wildcard is a very unethical company but if they were a proper company they would start out by helping the first report and then moving down the list.

Don't get me wrong, that's not what I am saying. I'm not talking about a direct response to a single player.

I am saying that a whole forum lit up with players complaining/quiting due to exploits cheating can add a certain level of expediency to a companies actions.

[Realist 504]

28 minutes ago, Not Happy said:

Don't get me wrong, that's not what I am saying. I'm not talking about a direct response to a single player.

I am saying that a whole forum lit up with players complaining/quiting due to exploits cheating can add a certain level of expediency to a companies actions.

And I would be inclined to agree, I just know that flooding twitter and jats email would be a lot more efficient.

if I was willing to agree that they might come on here sometimes, that pales in comparison to the multiple times a day they check their email and check their twitter

[Not Happy 38]

24 minutes ago, Realist said:

And I would be inclined to agree, I just know that flooding twitter and jats email would be a lot more efficient.

if I was willing to agree that they might come on here sometimes, that pales in comparison to the multiple times a day they check their email and check their twitter

I think you somewhat overestimate Twitter and Email and underestimate forum posts.

That being said I feel they are aware of these issues (exploits, offensive behavour) anyway, but dealing with them is on the backburner. Exploit fixes often going unmentioned in upcoming patch notes for obvious reasons, but any feedback adds fuel to the fire of urgency or prioritization of these issues.

Also helps the chance there will be some sort of official response wherever that should come.

Personally I'd like to know if they do plan on doing something about the aforementioned offensive behavour, I'm not going to waste my time hanging around with or rather even near a bunch of pillocks who think it is fun to yell the N word as some sort of meme joke. It's not funny, it's not clever, it isn't even trolling, it's just being a prat.

Edited January 7, 2019 by Not Happy

[Nightstrasza 137]

5 hours ago, UDO said:

try again every country has the same thoughts on racism as anywhere else in the world people from EU even more so as they were got the brunt of the racism under the nazi regime ,

 

my daughter who is only 8 knows the difference between what is right and wrong ,knows it wrong to go around calling people niggas , and once she is educated more and understand what happened in one of the worlds darkest times she will understand the power of symbols and how they can instill hate and fear into many different people   , 

 

age and where u are from is not an excuse ..

Not being 12, not being he, would say "nigga" only to a friend, friend of friend or something similar where can know where are the limits otherwise on street would say "sir", if they would want to slap us, we would gladly slap back, see who the crowd will help, in our country and our side of EU ppl are not snowflakes that can't even look at eachother without court case, sorry that slavic ppl don't cry from such tiny things.

[Sulfurblade 194]

1 hour ago, Bonedancer said:

What are you a girl? If you get your little feelings hurt that easy dude, you shouldn't be playing games like Ark/Atlas. I mean, if you don't want to deal with things like this, I'd normally suggest hopping on over to the PvP server, knock him out and jail him for weeks. But being as you can't stand a little trash talk, I'd probably direct you to another game. 

So your suggestiong the best fix for a griefer / troll is to be a griefer / troll....

Lets get one thing straight, locking up a person in a cage so they cannot do anything for hours and or days on end is just as bad of behavior as the crap being pointed out in this thread!!!

[Scorpionshawn 134]

2 hours ago, psykikk said:

I still would love to know. its an open theard in a public forum and I just want to know your opinion. 

fella.. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Sulfurblade said:

So your suggestiong the best fix for a griefer / troll is to be a griefer / troll....

Lets get one thing straight, locking up a person in a cage so they cannot do anything for hours and or days on end is just as bad of behavior as the crap being pointed out in this thread!!!

Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. The U.S. Supreme Court often has struggled to determine what exactly constitutes protected speech. The following are examples of speech, both direct (words) and symbolic (actions), that the Court has decided are either entitled to First Amendment protections

[Scorpionshawn 134]

 MAYBE YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND AMERICAN LAWS BUT HERE YOU GO. ALSO I DONT DEFEND THE RACIEST, I DO DEFEND FREEDOM OF SPEECH 

Freedom of speech includes the right: 

• To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
  Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).

2 hours ago, psykikk said:

hahahaha. oh boy. yeah they did. bit this is not about censorship, its about whats right. only because you are black, haven been insulted by others yourself or had it bad when you were a kid or whanot doesnt give you the right to insult others. it certainly doesnt give the right to call racists slurs all over the world.
your "free speech" people dont seem to get the point that saying something stupid, ignorant and hateful doesnt cout towards "free speech", it more ften than not counts towards hate, bigotry and stupidity. and theres some countries where racism might be socially acceptable and normal. that still doesnt make it right. 

yes we COULD ignore you people. instead  - the casual normal person with a bit of ethics, morals and human decency - decide and think this behavior should have no place in a videogame, much less in a modern society. 

 WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "YOU PEOPLE"

[Not Happy 38]

1 minute ago, Scorpionshawn said:

 MAYBE YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND AMERICAN LAWS BUT HERE YOU GO. ALSO I DONT DEFEND THE RACIEST, I DO DEFEND FREEDOM OF SPEECH 

Freedom of speech includes the right: 

• To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
  Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).

 

You don't understand the concept freedom of speech let alone any legalities.

Also, this is an international game numpty with EU regional servers. Your consitution isn't even applicable to the NA servers which includes ALL of NA and not just the USA.

[MattOfSmith 41]

1 minute ago, Not Happy said:

 

You don't understand the concept freedom of speech let alone any legalities.

Also, this is an international game numpty with EU regional servers. Your consitution isn't even applicable to the NA servers which includes ALL of NA and not just the USA.

Not to mention that, like he said, freedom of speech only covers overly offense stuff to "convey political messages", which is very much not the case here. Also, while playing an online game, you are more or less in their business. If they don't want you using racist terms in it, and you use them, guess what? They have the right to kick you out.

[Scorpionshawn 134]

2 minutes ago, Not Happy said:

 

You don't understand the concept freedom of speech let alone any legalities.

Also, this is an international game numpty with EU regional servers. Your consitution isn't even applicable to the NA servers which includes ALL of NA and not just the USA.

 ILL LET YOU SIT UP ON YOUR SOAP BOX AND CRY LIKE A BABY BECAUSE YOUR OFFENDED IN A VIDEO GAME. THE BACK LASH THE RED DEAD 2 GOT FOR THE SAME THING WAS NOT A LESSON LEARNED I GUESS. BUT THINK ABOUT THIS CRY BABY! NEXT TIME YOU GIVE SOMEONE THUMBS UP SOME CULTURES FIND THAT HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! 

[Winter Thorne 696]

1 hour ago, Bonedancer said:

What are you a girl? If you get your little feelings hurt that easy dude, you shouldn't be playing games like Ark/Atlas. I mean, if you don't want to deal with things like this, I'd normally suggest hopping on over to the PvP server, knock him out and jail him for weeks. But being as you can't stand a little trash talk, I'd probably direct you to another game. 

1 hour ago, Not Happy said:

No, he's just not a total end who needs to grow up.

I think you should have the strength of your convictions and go into work or your local supermarket etc and start yelling it over and over, then you can explain to your boss/the police all about free speech and carebears. It's only a little trash talk, right?

Do let me know how it goes.

Didn't you know you've got to be a manly man, full of manly man manhood manly stuff to sit in front of a pc and sail a ship?  Sheesh, everyone knows that.  It also helps to look like a reject from a Baywatch extras casting call and keep throwin those horns, bro.  And manly men shout racist stuff all the time, because it's rad, get it?  Everyone likes that shit.  They leap onto the tables at their favorite restaurants shouting about n**ers and their fantasies about the women who wouldn't want to be within 10 miles of them, and the configuration of their own private parts.  People gaze up at them in awe and wish they could be just like them.

Because that's what manly men full of manlihood do, and if you don't do that, yer a girl because girls are all civilized and smart and shit, so who would want to be one of them?

 

 

[Not Happy 38]

1 minute ago, MattOfSmith said:

Not to mention that, like he said, freedom of speech only covers overly offense stuff to "convey political messages", which is very much not the case here. Also, while playing an online game, you are more or less in their business. If they don't want you using racist terms in it, and you use them, guess what? They have the right to kick you out.

It's one of those situtations where frankly there is so much wrong and dumb that you don't know where to start.

I think you got the main thrust there though. If they want to put in their TOS that you can't say "pilchard" they can pretty much do so.

[Scorpionshawn 134]

Just now, Not Happy said:

It's one of those situtations where frankly there is so much wrong and dumb that you don't know where to start.

I think you got the main thrust there though. If they want to put in their TOS that you can't say "pilchard" they can pretty much do so.

 I VOTE THE DEVS SPEND MORE TIME FIXING THE GAME THAN WORRY ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS BEING HURT! 

[Not Happy 38]

2 minutes ago, Scorpionshawn said:

 ILL LET YOU SIT UP ON YOUR SOAP BOX AND CRY LIKE A BABY BECAUSE YOUR OFFENDED IN A VIDEO GAME. THE BACK LASH THE RED DEAD 2 GOT FOR THE SAME THING WAS NOT A LESSON LEARNED I GUESS. BUT THINK ABOUT THIS CRY BABY! NEXT TIME YOU GIVE SOMEONE THUMBS UP SOME CULTURES FIND THAT HIGHLY OFFENSIVE! 

And I'll let you sit there talking stupid nonsense like the halfwit you are. There is nothing that you know that you could ever possibly share with me that would be of any use, whatsoever. Even your insults are weaksauce *yawn*.

[KingLlama 24]

Does realist play this game or just forum police?

[Littlelucifer 22]

People play the game to get away from rl for many reasons some play because it relaxs  them but others play because they like the game etc but shouldn't matter racism is racism its bad enough its in the news every single day and everything going on. Dealt with the same issues in ark over and over. Kind of shocked the devs are not banning that person because they have been pretty good but remember they have 4 dlcs of ark to deal with ontop of this. We are dealing with hacking issues on our server and waiting to see what happens. Take the screenshots and try not to let it get to you, its hard as hell cause some of these trolls truly get off on it but if they use same devs from ark it wont last long. Ever think they are doing this so you quit so they get your land? 

[Scorpionshawn 134]

1 minute ago, Not Happy said:

And I'll let you sit there talking stupid nonsense like the halfwit you are. There is nothing that you know that you could ever possibly share with me that would be of any use, whatsoever. Even your insults are weaksauce *yawn*.

 JUST SO YOU KNOW I THINK ITS OFFENSIVE THAT YOUR CALLING ME NAMES LIKE STUPID AND HALFWIT. WILL THEY TOS PEOPLE THAT SAY OFFENSIVE STUFF LIKE THAT AS WELL? BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEONE IS "SLOW" AND HAVE BEEN MADE FUN OF ALL THEIR LIFE BY BEING CALLED STUPID. 

 

.....OR WAIT YOU DICTATE WHATS OFFENSIVE OR NOT RIGHT?