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Hi, 

My group and I found some private p2w servers, we wanted to know what is the policy about this kind of servers, are they allowed? could the server get a CoD?. 

 

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This has been asked before. There are no rules against it. You can charge for loot boxes and such that help you progress in the game. 

Of course no one is forcing anyone to play there, so no one is forcing you to pay anything other than that you must buy Atlas to play it.

Lots of private servers ask for donations. I've bought some stuff from them when I play more than a week or two. It costs plenty to run a decent size Atlas server, they need to get some money to pay the bills somehow.

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I wouldn't pay a single penny to any random person "hosting" a server. GS has official ones for free. Don't be a peon for someone else, they can go get a job.

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5 hours ago, Chucksteak said:

I wouldn't pay a single penny to any random person "hosting" a server. GS has official ones for free. Don't be a peon for someone else, they can go get a job.

As someone who’s spent over £1200 on Nitrado over the last couple years, it’s comments like yours that show how entitled people are. It’s fucking expensive to host but we should just get a better paying job not expecting a penny from donations, right? We’re not forcing people to pay as its their choice to play but fuck us for having the audacity trying to get help paying for the whole experience.

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15 hours ago, Cap’n Ro said:

As someone who’s spent over £1200 on Nitrado over the last couple years, it’s comments like yours that show how entitled people are. It’s fucking expensive to host but we should just get a better paying job not expecting a penny from donations, right? We’re not forcing people to pay as its their choice to play but fuck us for having the audacity trying to get help paying for the whole experience.

You're the one who made the choice to pay for that server and no you shouldn't expect anything in donations.  That's why they're donations and not tithes.  If you can't afford to host the server then find one of your more trustworthy players to hand the server off too.  If players wish to donate to keep the server running it's one thing, but to try and coerce people into paying with rewards the non-paying members of your server cannot hope to get is shady as hell

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2 hours ago, Khillian MacDille said:

You're the one who made the choice to pay for that server and no you shouldn't expect anything in donations.  That's why they're donations and not tithes.  If you can't afford to host the server then find one of your more trustworthy players to hand the server off too.  If players wish to donate to keep the server running it's one thing, but to try and coerce people into paying with rewards the non-paying members of your server cannot hope to get is shady as hell

Not sure why you care that there are people on a server that pay for rewards and some people that play on that server that don't. As you said, you don't play there so why do you even care?

These are all adults making the decisions on that server, not small children being abused or something shady like that. Not sure what twisted moral system you live with, but where I come from, people get to make their own decisions about things like this.

How is anyone being coerced. No one is forced to play there, they all decided on that on there own. If you don't like it just don't play there. I don't normally play on a server like this, but if I do, I generally buy some item, and have fun while I'm there with it.

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6 hours ago, Khillian MacDille said:

You're the one who made the choice to pay for that server and no you shouldn't expect anything in donations.  That's why they're donations and not tithes.  If you can't afford to host the server then find one of your more trustworthy players to hand the server off too.  If players wish to donate to keep the server running it's one thing, but to try and coerce people into paying with rewards the non-paying members of your server cannot hope to get is shady as hell

I don’t expect donations, that’s not the issue here. It’s people crying about server hosts having the audacity to ask for them.

Nothing wrong with being a freeloader but to criticise a server host that asks for donations to help pay for the running costs, is just toxic.

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On 1/7/2020 at 5:28 PM, Cap’n Ro said:

As someone who’s spent over £1200 on Nitrado over the last couple years, it’s comments like yours that show how entitled people are. It’s fucking expensive to host but we should just get a better paying job not expecting a penny from donations, right? We’re not forcing people to pay as its their choice to play but fuck us for having the audacity trying to get help paying for the whole experience.

It comes down to corruption.

Am I entitled because I use the service that is free and available to anyone who bought the nearly free game? Or are you perhaps being entitled because you think people should give you donations while you play god of your own 30 person Atlas?

Lets all hope you aren't actually using a Pay to Win strategy where you get something for donating while those who don't get nothing. This is now just playing physiological games with weak minded people, if this is the case.

I view you in the same light as a dude trying to sell me a happy meal right outside of McDonald's. 

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Not sure if you can call someone a freeloader if you have an open invite to your server. However if someone is willing to pay you then good for you, If they are not, then good for them. surely it's no one else's business but the server owner and players. I will say though there was no need for the profanity against another forum member though. It's not exactly gonna warm people to your server is it?

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On 1/8/2020 at 2:17 PM, Cap’n Ro said:

I don’t expect donations, that’s not the issue here. It’s people crying about server hosts having the audacity to ask for them.

Nothing wrong with being a freeloader but to criticise a server host that asks for donations to help pay for the running costs, is just toxic.

didn't criticize anyone for asking for donations, what I criticized was you explicitly saying 

 

On 1/7/2020 at 3:28 PM, Cap’n Ro said:

As someone who’s spent over £1200 on Nitrado over the last couple years, it’s comments like yours that show how entitled people are. It’s fucking expensive to host but we should just get a better paying job not expecting a penny from donations, right? We’re not forcing people to pay as its their choice to play but fuck us for having the audacity trying to get help paying for the whole experience.

In this you actually did offhandedly say that you expect it.  Second sentence.  That was what I was addressing, and no you shouldn't expect a donation.  If you expect it, it's not a donation, it's a payment.  That expectation for people to pay to play in someone else's IP is shady.  Offering "rewards" that offer a greater advantage than other players is shady.  This is also how private servers end up shuttering.  Run a good server with good people and keep out griefers and trolls, you're players will feel obligated to donate on their own. 

That all said though, if you're running a server for you and a select group of friends you personally know, then that's all moot.  If it was something you all agreed upon that you'd share the expenses and then they end up flaking out on you, then you have every right to be the upset party.

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On 1/7/2020 at 1:12 PM, Chucksteak said:

I wouldn't pay a single penny to any random person "hosting" a server. GS has official ones for free. Don't be a peon for someone else, they can go get a job.

It costs real money to host those servers and they are tuned to be more fun and less of a grind.   I am a sponsor with my server because I appreciate the value and support they provide.  It's not technically p2w, you can't buy a mythical galleon or anything like that but ever hour you are playing you get coins for loot boxes and sometimes you get good stuff like a blue print for a mythical med cannon.  My supporting is entirely voluntary, you get coins for boxes no matter what but if you do,  you get more coins and better loot boxes.

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14 hours ago, Javajunky said:

 My supporting is entirely voluntary, you get coins for boxes no matter what but if you do,  you get more coins and better loot boxes.

So you are leveraging your disposable income to get an advantage in a game over those who don't/cant do the same. This is P2W and antithetical to gaming IMHO.

You are blatantly supporting P2W.

I'm done with this thread. Big brother is already editing it, that's at least as gross as P2W. 

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52 minutes ago, Chucksteak said:

So you are leveraging your disposable income to get an advantage in a game over those who don't/cant do the same. This is P2W and antithetical to gaming IMHO.

You are blatantly supporting P2W.

I'm done with this thread. Big brother is already editing it, that's at least as gross as P2W. 

Don’t like it, don’t play on that server. It’s not rocket science. Everyone who joins knows what experience they are getting so something being unfair is not an issue because they are choosing to play.

Are you suggesting that the people joining these server are as stupid as the people on this thread criticising server donations on a private server?

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3 hours ago, Cap’n Ro said:

Don’t like it, don’t play on that server. It’s not rocket science. Everyone who joins knows what experience they are getting so something being unfair is not an issue because they are choosing to play.

Are you suggesting that the people joining these server are as stupid as the people on this thread criticising server donations on a private server?

That's a nice strawman you're building there.  Literally no one criticized server donations.

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48 minutes ago, Khillian MacDille said:

That's a nice strawman you're building there.  Literally no one criticized server donations.

Yes they did, read the whole thread.

His post makes perfect sense in the context of the whole thread if you have read it.

This is the type of complaining that makes people wonder why they are going out of their way to help other people have fun. Both mod authors and server owners come across the type of people that when you give them something for free, but give them the option to donate, they complain and call you a scammer or worse. I guess that is what you get when you put stuff on the Internet where literally anyone with access to a computer can login and use stuff for free that other people have spent weeks and months of their life to create. If they are not being charged for it, apparently they think it has no value and did not involve some hard work for someone to provide it to them.

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Lets be honest though no one would pay for and build a server just to play alone. So the fact is you'd want others to play. I wouldn't pay to play personally as I already pay xbox live on xbox which I don't have to do on pc. If you were to have cancer treatment and they asked if you ever donated to research would you be happy to get less treatment if you answered no? Yes I know that's an exaggerated point but I think it's the favoured donators that people are disagreeing with. Any way you look at it If someone has a server and asks for donations then that's their own business. And if someone doesn't like it they can choose a different server. I will say though I played on 2 private servers that both closed and I lost all my stuff. If people donate is this a guarantee the server will continue? Cos if so then people might think it is worth doing.

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On 1/10/2020 at 9:35 AM, Chucksteak said:

So you are leveraging your disposable income to get an advantage in a game over those who don't/cant do the same. This is P2W and antithetical to gaming IMHO.

You are blatantly supporting P2W.

I'm done with this thread. Big brother is already editing it, that's at least as gross as P2W. 

You clearly have no Idea of what you are talking about and are just giving a biased opinion. The tread asked a simple question, yet you came to express how you feel about this kind of servers, I opened the thread to get answers for a specific question, not to know what the community thinks or feels about servers with p2w mechanics. 

If someone is hosting a server, they may have their own reason, if a server gets too big, the host may not be able to accommodate a lot of people and some help in the form of donations may be needed, players come and go, so the ones who donate may eventually leave, and the burden of the server will be left to the person who started the host, it makes sense to get some sort of financial help, but thining that they do it just for greed is plain ridiculous.  Private servers have a lot of advantages that will not be found on official servers, hacker report being the first one to come to mind, Atlas has over 6000 players and most of them play in private servers, and there is a reason for that.

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The only thing I would say though is that private servers also have the disadvantage to players of closing down with no previous warning, and this has happened to me. It's frustrating to play on a server for 3 months only to find it gone one day with all your hard work.  It's up to personal choice though, how someone spends their money is their own business.

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13 hours ago, Whitehawk said:

The only thing I would say though is that private servers also have the disadvantage to players of closing down with no previous warning

Probably from a lack of donations from people complaining how corrupt the host is whilst simultaneously never paying in to keep the running costs going.

Jokes aside. P2W servers exist and there is nothing wrong with that nor are they against ToC’s because that only applies to official. My only issue with P2W is if there is no mention of it in its advertisement/info page because then any legitimate criticism of it is fair.

Fortunately with Nitrado, I can switch over to another game on that same server if the player count gets too low so not to completely waste money.

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19 hours ago, Whitehawk said:

The only thing I would say though is that private servers also have the disadvantage to players of closing down with no previous warning, and this has happened to me. It's frustrating to play on a server for 3 months only to find it gone one day with all your hard work.  It's up to personal choice though, how someone spends their money is their own business.

True dat, it happened to me on the past 3 servers I joined xD, but, on the other side, they were x15 or x25, so, in a few hours you get a galley or a fleet, so, not a big deal.

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On 1/10/2020 at 10:35 AM, Chucksteak said:

So you are leveraging your disposable income to get an advantage in a game over those who don't/cant do the same. This is P2W and antithetical to gaming IMHO.

You are blatantly supporting P2W.

I'm done with this thread. Big brother is already editing it, that's at least as gross as P2W. 

Incorrect sir, everyone gets them,  you just get different ones if you sponsor.  What you expect the server admins to spend a couple hundred bucks a month and have no way for people to help offset the cost.... maybe you can find something to play in make believe land socialism pays for everything.

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