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1 hour ago, eeeceee said:

Lol.

*rolls eyes*

I guess you do work on the weekends.

I work on the weekends btw. 🙂

Of course you think o work the weekends. I am not even playing right now yet I am still fighting for other people. I actually do care about other people. To be honest that is how I make my living.

whether I am in the equation or out of it I will always stick up for the group that I feel is suffering(sorry boomer). 

Plain and simple. Weekday people got screwed, weekend people didn’t. There is not reason to make it to where nobody gets screwed because others have already gotten screwed.

this all boils down to very bad decision making on the devs part. The minute they acknowledged that they might do weekday events.... the smartest thing to do would be a weekday event. They chose to reply and then after that they chose to back down instead of push forward. Hey, it’s happens. It is also expected unfortunately 

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Why are you apologising to boomer? Hehe, thanks for the laugh.

34 minutes ago, Realist said:

Weekday people got screwed, weekend people didn’t.

Oh, thanks for the recap. Like xbobs got screwed, pcbobs didn't?

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There is not reason to make it to where nobody gets screwed because others have already gotten screwed.

No reason to make it so that nobody gets screwed? Um, you think people want to screw each other, and the reason they give is that they've already gotten screwed? Because they want others to suffer?

Weekday people already got screwed, weekend people didn't, so no reason to not screw everybody (hopefully the weekend people)

Yes ok, don't make it so that nobody gets screwed.

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40 minutes ago, Realist said:

Of course you think o work the weekends. I am not even playing right now yet I am still fighting for other people. I actually do care about other people. To be honest that is how I make my living.

whether I am in the equation or out of it I will always stick up for the group that I feel is suffering(sorry boomer). 

Plain and simple. Weekday people got screwed, weekend people didn’t. There is not reason to make it to where nobody gets screwed because others have already gotten screwed.

this all boils down to very bad decision making on the devs part. The minute they acknowledged that they might do weekday events.... the smartest thing to do would be a weekday event. They chose to reply and then after that they chose to back down instead of push forward. Hey, it’s happens. It is also expected unfortunately 

This is predicated on an assumption that weekday and weekend people are somehow two seperate distinct groups, but the degree to which it is true is dubious. Weekend oriented events are not new or unique to Atlas. City of heroes was running weekend oriented events in 2004, when I first started playing online games. To the best of my knowledge most well known MMO's have done similar events. If weekday playing only people were some large seperate distinct group genuinely getting hosed by this long running practice, it likely still wouldn't persist because of their hue and cry on message boards such as this. I think the reality is simply not that simple, but again I'm all for doing events whenever because what can it hurt? 

To the degree that these people are suffering, it is a very slight sort of suffering. Again, going back to a discussion we had months ago, if you want to stick up for people who are suffering, there are far greater abuses in the gaming industry than the pain of people forced to deal with the unfairness of weekend rate boosting events.

*cough* abusive monetization practices *cough* unregulated gambling aimed at minors *cough* 

These are far more serious matters in the greater scope of things than a few folks on Atlas not getting to have boosted rates as often as others.

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23 minutes ago, eeeceee said:

Why are you apologising to boomer? Hehe, thanks for the laugh.

Oh, thanks for the recap. Like xbobs got screwed, pcbobs didn't?

No reason to make it so that nobody gets screwed? Um, you think people want to screw each other, and the reason they give is that they've already gotten screwed? Because they want others to suffer?

Weekday people already got screwed, weekend people didn't, so no reason to not screw everybody (hopefully the weekend people)

Yes ok, don't make it so that nobody gets screwed.

Nope. Not in the slightest. It is time to start having a weekday event for the next few weeks. No big deal. Hey look I am not even playing yet. Just want those poor folks to get theirs. Shouldn’t be anything wrong with that.

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  1. People want to have lives, go out on the weekend and have dinners, go to a museum or a zoo (*cough get laid cough*) because most of the socialising is still done on the weekends.
  2. 2x event (on weekend) encourages people to have no life, which is basic requirement by the game to play at the games full potential. You spend all that time playing during the week building up your gear to get to the weekend, and then the event happens.
  3. Most pvp action happens on the weekend, due to the above 2 points. You wanna have a life, go out and get laid etc, or do you wanna defend all those attacks / use that opportunity to attack
  4. Everybody becomes addicted hopefully 🙂

I think this is what happened in ark. Again, I don't have a preference either way. I had an ally in ark (oh, and atlas, haha), who worked weekends on a rotating schedule, and they would always be so sad when they missed an event completely. They were able to use some of the event, when they finished work. The reason why they would miss the event completely is because the event just didn't happen. As he was my ally however, I just gave him mats etc that we got during the event, so I guess that prevented him from posting on the forums trying to discuss the events. He would've been asking about a schedule I'm sure, and would've agreed with some of the previous posts in this thread.

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34 minutes ago, boomervoncannon said:

This is predicated on an assumption that weekday and weekend people are somehow two seperate distinct groups, but the degree to which it is true is dubious. Weekend oriented events are not new or unique to Atlas. City of heroes was running weekend oriented events in 2004, when I first started playing online games. To the best of my knowledge most well known MMO's have done similar events. If weekday playing only people were some large seperate distinct group genuinely getting hosed by this long running practice, it likely still wouldn't persist because of their hue and cry on message boards such as this. I think the reality is simply not that simple, but again I'm all for doing events whenever because what can it hurt? 

To the degree that these people are suffering, it is a very slight sort of suffering. Again, going back to a discussion we had months ago, if you want to stick up for people who are suffering, there are far greater abuses in the gaming industry than the pain of people forced to deal with the unfairness of weekend rate boosting events.

*cough* abusive monetization practices *cough* unregulated gambling aimed at minors *cough* 

These are far more serious matters in the greater scope of things than a few folks on Atlas not getting to have boosted rates as often as others.

I don’t remember you on the ark forums. I know you were big into ark as well but I just don’t remember the name. Btw. This isn’t part of the argument as I will start that below. This part is just wondering.

i would first like to start off by addressing your last comment of your post. So there are far more serious matters than them saying something and then not doing it? That seems pretty serious to me. They seem to have a habit of not doing that sort  of thing. Really, this should be the single most important thing right now.

you say it, then do it. It should really be that simple. We have seen the dancing around for months. Who cares about content and optimizations when they aren’t even fulfilling what they said they would do?

but to be honest boomer, they are definitely two distinct groups. That wasn’t even up for debate. Depending on the type of job you have, then you are in a certain group. It doesn’t matter if maybe you have to work a Saturday or Sunday every once in a while or even once a month. Overtime is overtime. These are the regularly scheduled times for these people to work, so no, don’t do that.

god, why when I say the word suffer it it is so horrible *throws his hands in the air like he is dying* and then when we talk about the other side.... it is not really suffering.... no 💩! Lol

sorry if I didn’t hit every point. I have to go deal with that other guy.

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11 minutes ago, eeeceee said:
  1. People want to have lives, go out on the weekend and have dinners, go to a museum or a zoo (*cough get laid cough*) because most of the socialising is still done on the weekends.
  2. 2x event (on weekend) encourages people to have no life, which is basic requirement by the game to play at the games full potential. You spend all that time playing during the week building up your gear to get to the weekend, and then the event happens.
  3. Most pvp action happens on the weekend, due to the above 2 points. You wanna have a life, go out and get laid etc, or do you wanna defend all those attacks / use that opportunity to attack
  4. Everybody becomes addicted hopefully 🙂

I think this is what happened in ark. Again, I don't have a preference either way. I had an ally in ark (oh, and atlas, haha), who worked weekends on a rotating schedule, and they would always be so sad when they missed an event completely. They were able to use some of the event, when they finished work. The reason why they would miss the event completely is because the event just didn't happen. As he was my ally however, I just gave him mats etc that we got during the event, so I guess that prevented him from posting on the forums trying to discuss the events. He would've been asking about a schedule I'm sure, and would've agreed with some of the previous posts in this thread.

Yeah. Once again. What is wrong with weekday events? I mean really, what is wrong with them?

i just read that and it sounded a little rash. Not meaning it to be that way, but I just really want to know from your perspective what is wrong with weekday events?

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Yeah, what? Is that a response to what I'm saying there, or are you asking about what I'm not talking about. I did not say there is anything wrong with weekday events. Really.

There's maybe nothing wrong with weekday events, the events in atlas have actually been quite good tbh. There's been times where they go for a week on end, stop for a half a day, then they turn it back on for the weekend which just started now. It's just that there is no way of knowing whether you will be sad or not sometimes, and that's no fun/can't see the point to that. Seems like the devs just do things randomly, the voice of god coming down saying "its 2x!!" but then god only knows why there is no discernible pattern, and when the next event will occur.

Its funny actually, many times when I'm playing the game, somebody will say "why is this like this?" and the answer is that there is no answer. Why is there a reload mini-game for the guns? Because the devs thought "ohhh mmos have mini-games". Why is there a cd timer on weapon slots? Same "reason". So they put it in. Why is there no 2x? Because the devs thought "ohhh its not guaranteed". So they did that. I wish I could think of so many other examples.

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4 minutes ago, Realist said:

I don’t remember you on the ark forums. I know you were big into ark as well but I just don’t remember the name. Btw. This isn’t part of the argument as I will start that below. This part is just wondering.

i would first like to start off by addressing your last comment of your post. So there are far more serious matters than them saying something and then not doing it? That seems pretty serious to me. They seem to have a habit of not doing that sort  of thing. Really, this should be the single most important thing right now.

you say it, then do it. It should really be that simple. We have seen the dancing around for months. Who cares about content and optimizations when they aren’t even fulfilling what they said they would do?

but to be honest boomer, they are definitely two distinct groups. That wasn’t even up for debate. Depending on the type of job you have, then you are in a certain group. It doesn’t matter if maybe you have to work a Saturday or Sunday every once in a while or even once a month. Overtime is overtime. These are the regularly scheduled times for these people to work, so no, don’t do that.

god, why when I say the word suffer it it is so horrible *throws his hands in the air like he is dying* and then when we talk about the other side.... it is not really suffering.... no 💩! Lol

sorry if I didn’t hit every point. I have to go deal with that other guy.

Yeah no sorry, 30 years of life experience in the workforce have taught me they are largely not separate distinct groups and just declaring that it’s not up for debate is not going to convince me. I currently work a job that is Monday thru Saturday with sundays and Saturday nights off. Prior to that I bartended for years where I worked weekends sure but also shifts during the week. I always had some free time and gamed on the weekends even when I was a bartender and putting in my heaviest hours on the weekends and right now I game both during the week and on weekends. Most of the gamers I know personally irl have similar life experiences where they are almost never limited to playing purely on the weekends or during the week because of their job. Just flat don’t buy this argument just because you say so. I think you know me better than that by now to think just declaring something to be so and not up for debate is gonna fly.

As far as me being on Ark’s forums, when it came to Ark I never bothered with their official forums all  my posting was done on Ark’s steam forums because that’s where all the steam friends I played with hung out and posted.  The several times I had a look at the game’s official forums they just seemed like a big pointless flame fest, so I never bothered.

As far as the word suffering goes, you were the one who used it. You picked an overly dramatic word for the situation, I agree what we’re talking about here doesn’t begin to approach real suffering, it’s a mild annoyance at best. BUT, you want to claim you are sticking up for people being treated unfairly when by your own words the severity of the situation is nonexistent, whereas actual real problems of fairness in the industry that do have a real and meaningful impact on people you shrug at or can’t be bothered the way you can to leap to the defense of this nebulous poorly treated group of Atlas weekenders.

Its been long since established this development team has failed to live up to prior claims and commitments on things generally regarded as more consequential than boosted rate events, so why are you tilting at windmills about a side issue that is considerably less impactful than things like fixing long standing bugs that most here seem more concerned about?

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8 hours ago, boomervoncannon said:

Yeah no sorry, 30 years of life experience in the workforce have taught me they are largely not separate distinct groups and just declaring that it’s not up for debate is not going to convince me. I currently work a job that is Monday thru Saturday with sundays and Saturday nights off. Prior to that I bartended for years where I worked weekends sure but also shifts during the week. I always had some free time and gamed on the weekends even when I was a bartender and putting in my heaviest hours on the weekends and right now I game both during the week and on weekends. Most of the gamers I know personally irl have similar life experiences where they are almost never limited to playing purely on the weekends or during the week because of their job. Just flat don’t buy this argument just because you say so. I think you know me better than that by now to think just declaring something to be so and not up for debate is gonna fly.

As far as me being on Ark’s forums, when it came to Ark I never bothered with their official forums all  my posting was done on Ark’s steam forums because that’s where all the steam friends I played with hung out and posted.  The several times I had a look at the game’s official forums they just seemed like a big pointless flame fest, so I never bothered.

As far as the word suffering goes, you were the one who used it. You picked an overly dramatic word for the situation, I agree what we’re talking about here doesn’t begin to approach real suffering, it’s a mild annoyance at best. BUT, you want to claim you are sticking up for people being treated unfairly when by your own words the severity of the situation is nonexistent, whereas actual real problems of fairness in the industry that do have a real and meaningful impact on people you shrug at or can’t be bothered the way you can to leap to the defense of this nebulous poorly treated group of Atlas weekenders.

Its been long since established this development team has failed to live up to prior claims and commitments on things generally regarded as more consequential than boosted rate events, so why are you tilting at windmills about a side issue that is considerably less impactful than things like fixing long standing bugs that most here seem more concerned about?

Ok well most wildcard players work weekends. Not a jab. It is just who they are. There is nothing wrong with that by the way. I am sure someone will talk about that but oh well.

wow. Really ok the ark forums?  Dude, that was almost nazi Germany back then. You couldn’t even cuss or disagree with anyone(to a degree, I guess) back then.

this 💩 is so much more toxic, it’s not even funny. Back on the ark forum I actually got a warning for going “off topic” yeah, so I try to stay on topic. 

This is one area that the majority has learned. One still hasn’t but oh well.

amd as far as your last comment goes? Yeah dude, I get you. You did read the road map though right? “Phase 1” optimizations.

that is after console release. You know they have to optimize after console release right? I mean hell.

beyond that, asking for more content? That is really just disrespectful at that point. They are already saving the game with crossplay.

with me being a brand new player I will not he expecting any new content until I have experienced everything already.

hense why they have said no new content before or after the Xbox release.

none before because they can’t have anything new mess up the launch. Nothing after because we can have these pc people just be that far ahead. Completely I professional of a company 

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Not to nitpick, but, is this being on topic? Boomer makes a point about the intent when discussing gameplay changes, as you asked why do people say "that is horrible", because that is in relation to a comment of yours about 2x. The response appears to be "?".

I mean, you talk about your personal definition for people who play the game, that you don't play but say you want to (they are lower end people who work weekends) and the ark forums. This was in response to "separate distinct groups" thing and the "ark forums" thing. You seem to skip over the answer to your question, which was relevant to the topic, something you unfortunately seem to have a habit of doing.

If a house is on fire, and while on the way there to put out the fire, another house catches fire, do you say that there's no reason to make sure nobody gets hurt, because someone has already suffered just a little (not that serious fires) bit, or do you decide the best option with the goal of making sure nobody gets hurt?

We're trying to talk about the water pressure on the hoses, whether they are going to be 2x or not and if we can know why. Not sure what you think you're doing there. I guess the 'separate distinct groups' discussion is trying to say there is no point in talking about whether or not you can speak for others.

 

1 hour ago, Realist said:

You know they have to optimize after console release right? I mean hell.

beyond that, asking for more content? That is really just disrespectful at that point. They are already saving the game with crossplay.

with me being a brand new player I will not he expecting any new content until I have experienced everything already.

hense why they have said no new content before or after the Xbox release.

 

Woah.

I can just imagine the fury at which this was typed. Hehe.

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I do not farm all weekend when there is a 2X event, I do however spend a few hours farming. If the 2X was only in the evenings or if i was working I would shift those few hours to match when i'm home and the event is on.

If the event was on during the week guess what, I'd farm in the evenings, most farming is travel time anyway and 2X won't help you there.

I'm not going to bitch and moan everytime I go on a weekend break and miss the entire 2X, a weekday event would be great, I can work all week, farm on an evening or two and go on holiday for the weekend and not miss anything.

 

Whats next events for the rotating shift workers, "I can only catch 1 in 6 events, not fair"

 

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2 hours ago, Jack Shandy said:

Whats next events for the rotating shift workers, "I can only catch 1 in 6 events, not fair"

I tried to make a point about this in a previous post. My friend would get very upset, when the event just wasn't guaranteed to be on, when he was scheduled to be off for weekends once every 6 weeks. Swearing for 5 minutes. Hah. Well, the thread should be about the fairness, and functionality of 2x. How it's applied, and where it is when its not being applied.

Maybe events during evenings, doesn't matter what days, is a good solution. Make it random and not guaranteed still if needed, not sure why it could be needed however. My friend with the shift work said to me that weekends were perhaps the best for 2x, as you can possibly arrange your life so that you can sit around for extended amounts of time / all day and night playing games. Remember, this guy didn't get events on the weekend, he swore when it wasn't on, and he's saying this. Whenever we would plan to do something that required a few hours consecutive, he would say "weekend". He had difficulty sailing in atlas, and breeding, except on the weekend. This guy had a toddler, he said it was more likely that there was stuff that needed to be done during the week, that prevented him being able to relax / game for hours on end during the weekdays that he had off. He wouldn't farm the whole event either, but sometimes he would. I didn't really understand him completely at all. I would get upset (selfishly) when he couldn't play during the week quite as much as when he had weekends off, I just couldn't understand. But, as we then played for further months on end, and I basically got a better view of it in action, I was slightly less confused.

Maybe weekday evenings, and weekend evenings with a schedule that includes whole day events, some during the week, some at the weekend.0

This thread is so long now, somebody may have already mentioned this. Hehe.

What about those people who work nights with rotating shifts?

 

 

 

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so, let's go back to the op:

Devs, did you take note of that thread now and did you noticed too, that most of the players like the x2 event and would love to see you enable the event on every weekend. 

Saying that you are busy don't works. To enable the event it takes 2 minutes and a klick in your "server restart" button.

It's not a big deal. To inform your playerbase, if there is no event, is taking only 2 minutes too. 

Otherwise you can hire me for enable and disable the event. I run a company but for these 5minutes each week I surely would find the time. But it's not cheap at all if you want to hire swiss precision work.

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I love all this banter back and forth regarding weekdays and/or weekend 2X. Regardless of what side your on, it's obvious that players want 2X. Yes EEECEEE my hidden motive is I want 2X to be the new norm. The current rate is too much of a grind. When considering the Dev's roadmap with more  time spent at sea and in combat, to balance that we need to spend less time gathering. Ask yourself, how are we going to accomplish that? Critical changes are coming and we can only guess what those changes are.

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Quite a lot of back and forth in this thread about 2x events and when the best time to hold them is! I've always personally been a fan of having more variety in the events and giving them more spread over days, so it's not just the weekends and it's not just the same rates (how about bonuses for killing SoTD too?); it's something we've spoken about previously but have yet to act upon and it may be a while until we cross those bridges anyway. 

As for 2x this weekend with a live game patch, it's not looking likely. We're still working on putting some things together for a PTR update featuring some wild pirates which will hopefully be in your hands this weekend. 

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So, after all the typing here, nothing has changed?

Jat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not surprising, really.

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Thanks for letting us know your personal preference. But, what we really want to know, if we can't know how anything happens, is how the 'when to turn on event gets decided', how much rates are changed, or why there is no schedule/ notification ahead of when the 2x is turned on.

Saying you're busy, that you've been reading stuff, and talking about stuff between yourselves but wont share, doesn't work. We know already that is part of the whole "no guarantees" shtick.

What is actually physically involved in the whole turning on 2x event process?

Need to do some kind of animal sacrifice? There is no button? Just simply log in and do server side patch?

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While everyone reads the Forum i am Sitting here on my ship And cant See shit because my wallhooks got destroyed again. (Still wants better wallhooks for ships )

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2 hours ago, eeeceee said:

So, after all the typing here, nothing has changed?

Jat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not surprising, really.

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Thanks for letting us know your personal preference. But, what we really want to know, if we can't know how anything happens, is how the 'when to turn on event gets decided', how much rates are changed, or why there is no schedule/ notification ahead of when the 2x is turned on.

Saying you're busy, that you've been reading stuff, and talking about stuff between yourselves but wont share, doesn't work. We know already that is part of the whole "no guarantees" shtick.

What is actually physically involved in the whole turning on 2x event process?

Need to do some kind of animal sacrifice? There is no button? Just simply log in and do server side patch?

Well just like with ark. There is no guarantee the event will happen. Also just like ark, with the whole different 2x, 3x, 4x it makes sense that on Easter they have a big breeding event with a big multiplier and so forth.

they have been saying for years to not just expect events to happen. I like that jat reiterated the whole not always on the same days or duration thing.

the main thing is these guys are working on a project that is very huge and they are still in the alpha stage. Crossplay with steam will be no small feat and I am still worried about how successful it might be but I am staying hopeful.

as far as events go, they definitely should not just be expected. There are other more important things they are working on right now. Mainly saving the game as a whole with console release. Events shouldn’t be anywhere close to the top of the priority list.

 

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Sigh. Why bother typing that? Really....

Saving the game with console is quite funny though, love how you keep repeating that one.

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10 hours ago, Jatheish said:

Quite a lot of back and forth in this thread about 2x events and when the best time to hold them is! I've always personally been a fan of having more variety in the events and giving them more spread over days, so it's not just the weekends and it's not just the same rates (how about bonuses for killing SoTD too?); it's something we've spoken about previously but have yet to act upon and it may be a while until we cross those bridges anyway. 

As for 2x this weekend with a live game patch, it's not looking likely. We're still working on putting some things together for a PTR update featuring some wild pirates which will hopefully be in your hands this weekend. 

Bonus for SotD, so they maybe be worthy to destroy once? Bad idea. Better you react to all the posts since gamelaunch and incrase the normal amount of loot and gold so it's not way too expensive to sink a sotd for its reward.

Better you enable breeding x2,3,4 so a normal person with a RL can breed too and don't have to wait for Xmas or Eastern. And why you never talk about the unhealthy mechanics of breeding?

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I'm disappointed to read, that u can't enable a x2 event again. Isn't it just a really small task to enable it? Does it takes longer than 5minutes? Is it because we considered here about, that u decided to wait another week?

No one on our beautiful world should be too busy to do a 5min task. But maybe I'm wrong and the mentality and the working effort in America is so wasted...? Here in Switzerland we all work longer, if the work demands it. Especially when it takes only 5minutes. Quality, customer service and patience is what we work here for.

I really liked it to see you, devs, in the beginning of this journey doing a awesome good job. You had so much to do, had so many open projects and delivered content after contend, informed every week about the progress. Now we have to wait for any information who tells us nothing concrete, all and everything is delayed until no one knows.

When do you start becoming a such bad company? Last few weeks show nothing more about a well organized company. You loosed yourself and loosed your balls. Or how do you explain the introverted behavior you show us now? We don't want to beg two weeks long for any answer. We want it back like it was in the beginning of atlas. A good communication, good CMs who are active in the official forum and take care of the community questions (even if you have to answer ten times the same stupid question).

To understand my frustration about missing x2 event: I restarted on the official servers and claimed an island on Friday. I know with a upkeep of ~700g/day it's not the cheapest one but I was sure with the upcoming x2 event I can easily farm a good stock of gold, so I can build up a base or something else during the week. But now I had to farm gold at every evening I was playing this week. 

I hoped for this weekend now and then I read, that u are too busy to enable it again? Why? I absolutely don't understand why...

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Anyone know what "into the ice" harvest bonus gives for a buff?

Does the buff only apply on urself or also on tames?

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26 minutes ago, Ralle said:

What time utc zone does 2x harvest normaly started on Weekends?

There's no "normally" with these events.

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1 hour ago, Forb Hidden said:

There's no "normally" with these events.

Excuse me sir,  could you tell me what time the under medicated gentleman with the baseball bat and noticeable facial tick muttering to himself will begin assaulting strangers at random?

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